I noticed that in a newer version of Firefox (1.5.0.7 for Mac OS X)
there is an auto popup that comes up with old text that I have written
in text input fields. That's not a very good thing. Suppose I have been
porn surfing or written other things that I don't want other people or
competitors to see; do you think I want that text to pop up? Not
really.

Also, the Javascript window in Firefox now shows errors for virtually
every site I visit. Maybe it's because the sites are not properly
designed, or maybe Firefox displays things that really should only be
warnings as errors.

Third, I have noticed major sites beginning to move into only Internet
Explorer content, such as MSN Live Video Beta and AOL Video. Some such
sites may work in Firefox for Windows with an ActiveX plugin, but I
doubt that such plugin will ever be safe, functional and frequently
updated enough to really make it work and keep up with the ActiveX in
Internet Explorer.

My conspiracy theory is that Microsoft has infiltrated the Firefox
developer community to confuse it and mess it up, while at the same
time pushing for Internet Explorer to be the only browser being able to
view new content on the web - such as videos and interactive web sites
- in a complete way.

al.

"Anders" <anders_lindman@hotmail.com> wrote:

> My conspiracy theory is that Microsoft has infiltrated the Firefox
> developer community to confuse it and mess it up, while at the same
> time pushing for Internet Explorer to be the only browser being able to
> view new content on the web - such as videos and interactive web sites
> - in a complete way.

OMG! First of all, you really think this (ais-e) is the right place for
conspiracy theories?

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On 17 Sep 2006 05:39:33 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

>"Anders" <anders_lindman@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My conspiracy theory is that Microsoft has infiltrated the Firefox
>> developer community to confuse it and mess it up, while at the same
>> time pushing for Internet Explorer to be the only browser being able to
>> view new content on the web - such as videos and interactive web sites
>> - in a complete way.
>
>OMG! First of all, you really think this (ais-e) is the right place for
>conspiracy theories?

Maybe it's a plot!

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__/ [ Big Bill ] on Sunday 17 September 2006 07:53 \__

> On 17 Sep 2006 05:39:33 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:
>
>>"Anders" <anders_lindman@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My conspiracy theory is that Microsoft has infiltrated the Firefox
>>> developer community to confuse it and mess it up, while at the same
>>> time pushing for Internet Explorer to be the only browser being able to
>>> view new content on the web - such as videos and interactive web sites
>>> - in a complete way.


Corruption of standards is nothing new. In fact, even as IE7 is being
developed, one of the developers confesses that management involves
"unethical shitheads", as he calls them, who deliberately design the browser
in a way that will stifle competition, by deliberatelynot obeying or
'extending' standards. This makes parts of e Web compatible with only one
platform and one Web browser. Atlas is rumoured to develop this hypothesis
further, being no exception to ActiveX controls.


>>OMG! First of all, you really think this (ais-e) is the right place for
>>conspiracy theories?
>
> Maybe it's a plot!


Well, since I've already bitten the bait, I might as well point out that
Microsoft delivers IE7 to all Windows XP users as a high priority 'security'
update. To many, this is clearly a case of anti-competitive practices. But
what /else/ is new under the sun?

As as for Mozilla's involvements with Microsoft, the development focus is
shifted /away/ from other platforms, whose platform-specific bugs and
patches are neglected.

Best wishes,

Roy

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John Bokma wrote:
> "Anders" <anders_lindman@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My conspiracy theory is that Microsoft has infiltrated the Firefox
> > developer community to confuse it and mess it up, while at the same
> > time pushing for Internet Explorer to be the only browser being able to
> > view new content on the web - such as videos and interactive web sites
> > - in a complete way.
>
> OMG! First of all, you really think this (ais-e) is the right place for
> conspiracy theories?
>
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The conspiracy bit was a bit speculative I must admit. And probably the
Microsoft managers don't want total browser monopoly. Having
competitors is good even for them, at least in the long run. Browser
technology hasn't matured enough yet to form a fully functional
standard, so I think it is good that Microsoft is pushing it a bit.

al.

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:

> Well, since I've already bitten the bait, I might as well point out

that the OP was about Firefox being corrupted by Microsoft, and not an
anti-IE7 soapbox?

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"Anders" <anders_lindman@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The conspiracy bit was a bit speculative I must admit.

Yes, and that's called FUD. What always amazes me is that OSS zealots have
no problem at all with spreading FUD. I mean, some of them can teach MS a
lesson or two.

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Anders wrote:

> I noticed that in a newer version of Firefox (1.5.0.7 for Mac OS X)
> there is an auto popup that comes up with old text that I have written
> in text input fields. That's not a very good thing. Suppose I have been
> porn surfing or written other things that I don't want other people or
> competitors to see; do you think I want that text to pop up? Not
> really.

You can fix that in your privacy settings.


> Third, I have noticed major sites beginning to move into only Internet
> Explorer content, such as MSN Live Video Beta and AOL Video.

Microsoft have sometimes added JavaScript to their sites to break
functionality in Firefox. Don't use Microsoft tools, web sites, services,
and software, and encourage other people to avoid MS also.

z wrote:
> Anders wrote:
>
> > I noticed that in a newer version of Firefox (1.5.0.7 for Mac OS X)
> > there is an auto popup that comes up with old text that I have written
> > in text input fields. That's not a very good thing. Suppose I have been
> > porn surfing or written other things that I don't want other people or
> > competitors to see; do you think I want that text to pop up? Not
> > really.
>
> You can fix that in your privacy settings.


But what happens when someone switches the setting back again? When I
installed the new Firefox version, very old texts from the PREVIOUS
version popped up.

>
>
> > Third, I have noticed major sites beginning to move into only Internet
> > Explorer content, such as MSN Live Video Beta and AOL Video.
>
> Microsoft have sometimes added JavaScript to their sites to break
> functionality in Firefox. Don't use Microsoft tools, web sites, services,
> and software, and encourage other people to avoid MS also.


I use Microsoft software for the desktop, but seldom for development.
Java + Eclipse is my choice.

al.

z wrote:
> Microsoft have sometimes added JavaScript to their sites to break
> functionality in Firefox. Don't use Microsoft tools, web sites, services,
> and software, and encourage other people to avoid MS also.

If you have ever taken any MS certified classes, you are familiar with
the phrase "the microsoft way". MS was founded on the theft and
reverse engineering of a Macintosh. MS has to steal and deceive in
order to survive; that is their "way". If you work for MS, they will
teach you in the training how to lie, cheat, and steal in order to
survive as an inferior product. They were fined by the US Supreme
court for using their w95 monopoly power to rip-off their customers;
when w98 released with the same issues they were stating that they
don't care if it is illegal because they can make more money by
screwing their clients than it will cost them in fines. MS was ordered
to compensate my state's university something like $75 million dollars
for overcharging them for products.

Microsoft products are anti-productive and barely work with their
sixty-billion bug complex. I've seen some of the new improvements for
this vista crap that they say is coming soon - the new vista features
are the same tools that I have been using for years on my Mac (only
reverse engineered in a code that they don't want you to see because it
is bug-ridden).

Although I have been using ms word for grammar checking, excel for
spreadsheets, and IE to check browser compatability - these are the
only three programs that can actually crash my system (not a
coincidence that they are all inferior microcrap products).

How long will it take before windows users realize that maintenance
isn't supposed to consume 20% of your work day? How long before they
realize that there is an easier to use and more powerful parallel
universe on Macs that hasn't been infected by millions of viruses and
spyware? How long until they realize that MS is spyware that has been
spread like a virus?

The solution is simple: don't use windows, don't use microsoft
crapware.

Eventually the process of natural selection will devour their entire
company as people realize that MS is actually just a group of cheating
thieves, that MS products aren't worth the time that it takes to
maintain them, and that there are other products available that are
more stable, have more features, and are open-sourced so you can be
assured that you don't have a can of worms co-existing with your
precious files.

Microsoft knows they are looking at the "blue screen of death" and they
are scared like a rat in a cage.

__/ [ SEOwebMarket.com ] on Sunday 17 September 2006 23:33 \__

>
> z wrote:
>> Microsoft have sometimes added JavaScript to their sites to break
>> functionality in Firefox. Don't use Microsoft tools, web sites, services,
>> and software, and encourage other people to avoid MS also.
>
> If you have ever taken any MS certified classes, you are familiar with
> the phrase "the microsoft way". MS was founded on the theft and
> reverse engineering of a Macintosh. MS has to steal and deceive in
> order to survive; that is their "way". If you work for MS, they will
> teach you in the training how to lie, cheat, and steal in order to
> survive as an inferior product. They were fined by the US Supreme
> court for using their w95 monopoly power to rip-off their customers;
> when w98 released with the same issues they were stating that they
> don't care if it is illegal because they can make more money by
> screwing their clients than it will cost them in fines. MS was ordered
> to compensate my state's university something like $75 million dollars
> for overcharging them for products.
>
> Microsoft products are anti-productive and barely work with their
> sixty-billion bug complex. I've seen some of the new improvements for
> this vista crap that they say is coming soon - the new vista features
> are the same tools that I have been using for years on my Mac (only
> reverse engineered in a code that they don't want you to see because it
> is bug-ridden).
>
> Although I have been using ms word for grammar checking, excel for
> spreadsheets, and IE to check browser compatability - these are the
> only three programs that can actually crash my system (not a
> coincidence that they are all inferior microcrap products).
>
> How long will it take before windows users realize that maintenance
> isn't supposed to consume 20% of your work day? How long before they
> realize that there is an easier to use and more powerful parallel
> universe on Macs that hasn't been infected by millions of viruses and
> spyware? How long until they realize that MS is spyware that has been
> spread like a virus?
>
> The solution is simple: don't use windows, don't use microsoft
> crapware.
>
> Eventually the process of natural selection will devour their entire
> company as people realize that MS is actually just a group of cheating
> thieves, that MS products aren't worth the time that it takes to
> maintain them, and that there are other products available that are
> more stable, have more features, and are open-sourced so you can be
> assured that you don't have a can of worms co-existing with your
> precious files.
>
> Microsoft knows they are looking at the "blue screen of death" and they
> are scared like a rat in a cage.

All very true. To quote a message I posted yesterday (long):

Start Saving, Vista Prices Leaked

,----[ Quote ]
| Full Version
| ?Vista Ultimate $450
| ?Vista Business $341
| ...
`----

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/software/...ked-197123.php


Windows Vista pricing favors PC upgrades

,----[ Quote ]
| While Microsoft's entry-level and upgrade prices might appear reasonable
| on paper to some, and little changed to the five-year-old Windows XP,
| there are a few clouds to this sliver lining. The first is the ability
| for machines running Windows XP to actually be able to run Windows Vista,
| as Microsoft's hardware guidance for new versions of Windows has tended
| historically towards the, ah, optimistic shall we say.
|
| [...]
|
| For consumers, Vista Home Basic does exactly what it says on the box -
| you get the an OS, browser, search and parental controls but no sexy
| Aero interface and no Windows Media Center (for watching and recording
| all those episodes of CSI: Miami, hooking up the Xbox 360, and
| viewing photos). Those little gems are reserved for users of Vista
| Home Premium, while Ultimate gives you all this plus additional power
| features from the business products like BitLocker encryption, support
| for domain group policy, and advanced and simplified networking.
`----

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09...s_vita_prices/

$2626 for a Vista machine.

Build Your Own Windows Vista System

,----[ Quote ]
| Being forward looking is never cheap. We've configured a system that will
| run Vista superbly, but it's really not complete. The lack of practical
| high definition optical drives and DirectX 10 hardware means that the
| system will likely to be upgraded at least once in its lifetime.
`----

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2015423,00.asp


Do you know what you need at all?

The Problem With Five Versions of Windows Vista

,----[ Conclusion ]
| January 30th may be the day that Vista is released, but it could also be
| the day that hordes of Windows users make the move over to Linux.
`----

http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?op...324&Itemid=449

On the issue of waste and excess (e.g. throwing away
older-albeit-perfectly-fine hardware):

Microsoft and the Broken Window Theory of Economics

,----[ Quote ]
| While we don't usually report on anything Microsoft related (as it's
| outside PCBurn's perview) this tidbit was too good for me to pass up.
| Microsoft is reporting (at El Reg) that by releasing an operating system
| it will magically create $40 Billion dollars rather than simply suck
| money out of Europe. They've done this by positing a story somewhat
| similar to the theory of "broken window" economics.
`----

http://pcburn.com/article.php?sid=1788


What do you get? Is it what you pay for?

The Sad State of Vista Drivers

,----[ Quote ]
| Drivers are Half-Done, Is There Really a Problem Here? It depends. Do
| you like the idea of buying an expensive video card to take advantage of
| the latest Vista technology only to discover that the drivers offered
| will not allow you to game at peak performance? The same problem could
| be said for web cams, soundcards, and other needed devices. And to be
| frank, it is beginning to look like a repeat of the same issue that we
| had to deal with Windows XP.
`----

http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?op...330&Itemid=449

Partners Say Vista RC1 Close But Not Quite Ready

,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft is making its first Vista release candidate and pricing
| information more broadly available to partners and consumers this week.
| Solution providers who have seen it say it's not yet ready for prime
| time.
|
| [...]
|
| A number of partners and analysts who have downloaded Vista RC1 say the
| code is solid but they are not convinced it will be ready for release
| this fall.
|
| [...]
|
| One Microsoft analyst suggested the code is in good shape but he is not
| convinced that Vista Enterprise will be ready for volume licensed
| customers in November.
|
| "RC1 is in the best shape of anything they have shipped for Vista, but in
| the old nomenclature I would call this at best a Beta Three and not a
| Release Candidate One," said Mike Cherry...
|
| [...]
|
| "There are still major concerns about hardware and software
| interoperability, including the inability to get the tablet functionality
| working correctly," said the Microsoft solution provider, which is based
| in the Midwest. "Pricing looks high to me, especially the Ultimate package
| for $400. That is the cost of a low-end computer."
`----

http://www.crn.com/sections/breaking...leArticle=true

The Dark Side of Windows Vista RC1

,----[ Headings only: ]
| It's the UI, stupid. Actually, it's a stupid UI
|
| A few applications that need to be brought out back and shot
`----

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase..._rc1_worst.asp

Microsoft wants more Vista testers

,----[ Feed Excerpt ]
| It hopes to have about 5 million testers checking out latest version
| of Windows update, as it tries to stamp out bugs.
`----

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6115744.html

A recipe for (yet another) disaster?

Rush Testing Is Under Way for Microsoft's New System

,----
| Microsoft rushed what may be the final test version of its Windows
| Vista operating system to more than a million testers on Friday, trying
| to meet deadlines for its long-delayed commercial release.
|
| [...]
|
| In the interview posted by Microsoft, Mr. Hallauer said Vista would have
| fewer dreaded "blue screens of death," in which the operating system
| freezes and leaves the user with a blue display screen. Instead, Vista will
| automatically recover from such freezes and start over, without forcing the
| user to restart the system manually.
`----

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/02/te...erland&emc=rss

Vista tests leave us all in the dark

,----[ Quote ]
| The VoleWare version is clunky, it requires you to download .net, but it
| does tell you which types of software will not work under Vista at the
| moment too. In my case Nero 7 Premium Nero will have to be uninstalled as
| well as a little thing called Sun J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 6.
|
| However, Vole says I will have no problem with any of my hardware and I
| will be able to install Vista's premium packs just as soon as I have
| mortgaged the house and sold the wife and the cat into slavery to
| afford it.
|
| The question is, which one is right? It seems that ATi want me to dump
| my Nvidia card and Microsoft wants me to abandon Java. We wonder what
| they are really trying to say?
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34270

Microsoft Vista is still a mess

,----[ Conclusion ]
| Vista's still a mess. It's meant to be at release candidate stage, yet
| vendor's are struggling to provide sufficient driver support, features
| are still missing or not yet complete, and its performance compared to XP
| is still poor. Nowadays hardware is cheap, and it would be sufficiently
| acceptable to upgrade in anticipation of a wonderfully revolutionary OS.
| Unfortunately Vista provides little to no benefit for end users compared
| to that of the previous version of Windows, released five years ago
| in 2001.
|
| There are no upgrades or features to the OS that are sufficiently
| compelling to make upgrading a necessity, some which were earlier
| promised, allowed for sufficient reason for an upgrade to be considered,
| but these have been removed one by one over the course of Vista's
| prolonged patchy road of development, and now Vista appears little more
| than an ill-performing version of XP with a glorified interface.
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34268

How S-L-O-W Will Vista Go?

,----[ Quote ]
| The complaints about sluggish performance in Windows Vista keep growing.
| While it's unfair to point to beta software apps -- whatever Microsoft
| wants to call them -- the warning flags are already evident.
|
| [...]
|
| Asato observed that the demo games of Mahjong and Solitaire included with
| the Beta ran "awfully slow," even with the drivers written for Vista.
| His system has a 2.8GHz Intel P4 processor, 768MB of memory and an ATI
| All-In-Wonder 2006 AGP, which he admits is not the most recent GPU, "but
| it's no slouch."
`----

http://www.thechannelinsider.com/art.../187152_1.aspx

Windows Vista's Speed Bumps

,----[ Quote ]
| Unfortunately, after many months of using Windows Vista, I conclude
| that Microsoft has placed a thick security facade around the operating
| system that impedes usability compared to Windows XP. The comparison to
| XP is important. Microsoft must emphasize user benefits to show potential
| customers that the current operating system isn't good enough compared
| to Windows Vista. If the experience isn't better--as in much
| better--customers will be less likely to rush out and buy off-the-shelf
| upgrades or new Windows Vista PCs. Neither situation would be good for
| Microsoft partners.
|
| [...]
|
| For me, Internet Explorer 7 security warnings are so much a nuisance I
| now mainly use Firefox, which is a dramatic change. For years, I continued
| to use and defend IE to Firefox switchers. Firefox is safe enough without
| all the security noise.
`----

http://www.microsoftmonitor.com/archives/016885.html

How does Vista affect your hardware and its lifetime?

,----[ Quote ]
| 'Since installing Vista, I have found that my MacBook Pro runs hot. No
| doubt Microsoft hasn't worked on power management issues that might affect
| Apple hardware, which leaves me to wonder whether I'm slowly cooking the
| motherboard of my laptop. It's not hot enough to fry an egg on the
| aluminum case, but my laptop is noticeably warmer than when I use Mac OS X.
| I've also noticed that battery life is substantially reduced. Once again,
| energy management for Apple hardware is not likely at the top of
| Microsoft's list. Once Apple writes updated drivers to work with Vista, I'd
| expect these issues to be addressed.'
`----

http://computerworld.com/action/arti...icleId=9003111

Will Vista finally offer good security, or all least -- basic /security/?

'Vista's Account Protection: One Click and It's Gone'

,----[ Quote ]
| One of Vista's big security features is 'User Account Protection'
| (or 'User Account Control') which pops up and asks for user
| authentication before software can make any administrative changes to
| the system. But the TweakVista utility can turn off UAP in one click...
`----

http://securitydot.net/news/exploits...2661/news.html

Microsoft bets big on Vista security

,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft's Vista developers can't catch a break these days. After years
| of warnings from security researchers that old code in Windows was
| creating security risks, the software giant decided to rewrite key parts
| of the operating system.
|
| The result? Last month, Symantec published a report suggesting all of
| this new code will introduce new security problems.
|
| "The network stack in Windows Vista was rewritten from the ground up.
| In deciding to rewrite the stack, Microsoft has removed a large body of
| tried and tested code and replaced it," Symantec wrote, noting that it
| found vulnerabilities in the Windows Vista networking software.
|
| "Despite the claims of Microsoft developers, the Windows Vista network
| stack as it exist today is less stable than the earlier Windows XP stack,"
| it said after examining a beta release of the software.
|
| After years of being blamed for countless security problems, Microsoft may
| be in a no-win situation.
`----

http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/i...42;fp;8;fpid;0

Will Windows be there several years down the line? Am I going with a leader
or an underdog?

Why Vista will mean the end of the Microsoft monolith

"Microsoft also released details of US pricing for the new operating
system. ... Security vulnerabilities come free with all versions."

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus...0609091840.htm


Hasta la Vista, part 1: Microsofts final death march

,----[ Quote ]
| Unfortunately, Bill Gates is not a wizard. Even worse, he is a bad
| programmer. When Martin Eller, a Microsoft programmer, found an error in
| the flood fill routine of the MS-Basic interpreter, he exclaimed "Which
| moron wrote this brainless sh*t?" only to find out it was Gates himself who
| wrote the "brainless sh*t". I think it is safe to say that Bill Gates is
| hardly the technical wizard he would so much like to be.
|
| [...]
|
| Of course, this way of working simply couldn't continue. This had to go
| wrong one time. I don't mean the viruses, the spyware or the overall
| security (or lack of it). Microsoft tolerates the bugs riddling the
| software, since problems can always be patched over. However, with each
| patch and enhancement, it becomes harder to strap new features onto the
| software, since new code can affect everything else in unpredictable ways.
| In short, the software becomes unmaintainable. And Vista reached that
| point.
`----

http://thebeez.vnunetblogs.com/the_b...la_vista_.html

Hasta la Vista, part 2: MSFT Titanic

,----[ Quote ]
| In the first part of this series, I mentioned how Jim Allchin came in,
| saved the day and everything was hunky dory again. Wrong. The story that
| "Windows was broken" came out in September, 2005. The same month a blog
| was published about the up and coming reorganization of Microsoft,
| stating that is was "just shuffling the chairs on the deck of the
| Titanic".
|
| [...]
|
| Six months later, the programmers seem to have come close to a mutiny,
| saying "Fire the leadership now!", saying "People need to be fired and
| moved out of Microsoft today. Where's the freakin' accountability"?
|
| [...]
|
| One day later, David Richards reports: "Up to 60% of the code in the new
| consumer version of Microsoft new Vista operating system is set to be
| rewritten as the Company 'scrambles' to fix internal problems a Microsoft
| insider has confirmed to SHN. (..) Microsoft has also admitted that it has
| major problems in it's Windows division and has has immediately initiated a
| total restructure of the division, a move that comes after a costly delay
| in rolling out its Vista program. (..) An internal memo written by Kevin
| Johnson the Co-President of the Windows division has revealed the changes
| that the Windows division faces: 'As part of the next step of Jim's
| transition, we discussed when it was appropriate to move his direct reports
| to me, and decided that this organization change was the right time.'"
|
| [...]
|
| Less than three months later, Bill Gates decides to resign. Even more
| features are scrapped in a desperate attempt to hit the release date.
| Now even the major networks are beginning to pick up the problems at
| Microsoft, like ABC ("What's wrong with Microsoft") and CNN ("A reality
| check for Vista").
|
| [...]
|
| You may or may not like Linux, but I promise you that the next guy who
| has the guts to publish an article like "Is Linux ready for the desktop?",
| I'll personally come over and punch his lights out! You say Aero, we got
| Xgl. You say WinFS, we got Beagle. You say Monad, we got plenty of those!
|
| [...]
|
| So, those of you who still think Microsoft will pull it off easily, are
| you still that convinced? Microsoft is seeking with Xen, an Open
| Source company.
|
| [...]
|
| IBM went down when they introduced their PS/2 line of products. It
| should have been their finest hour. Microsoft may share the same fate.
| It will certainly not be the end of the giant, but it will be the end of
| a reign of terror. Still not convinced? I will give a Microsoft employee
| the last word:
|
| "It scares me that this is what Linux does today, it?s free. Open Office
| is free. I can do anything on the 'free' platform that I can do on Windows.
| Eventually it will be like an old sweater that I am comfy with. Wait 10
| years and watch as these folks graduate and move into positions of
| influence. Its no longer a hard migration issue -- that generation will
| be comfy with Linux and it will be the kind of decision (if not easier)
| that was made when corporations moved from OS/2 or DOS to Windows. No need
| to train.. What the hell is Windows anyway? I truly believe that was a
| big factor that drove our platform; we were able to get the stuff for
| almost free. Give it away to students.."
`----

http://thebeez.vnunetblogs.com/the_b..._vista__1.html

What does the CNN say?

,----[ Quote ]
| So here's a modest proposal: Boycott Vista. Keep your old Windows XP PC
| around. Don't buy a new one. That's the only way we have to let Microsoft
| know Vista is an overhyped, late, and pointless update to XP - a perfectly
| fine operating system.
`----

http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/07/tech...ex.htm?cnn=yes

Does Windows still impress?

,----[ Quote ]
| As a geek, why would you not want to run multiple operating systems on the
| same piece of hardware? People have dual booted between Linux and Windows
| for years. And if you think Linux is still worse off than Windows, watch
| this video. You?ll wonder when Microsoft will get over itself long enough
| to create a unique user experience half as compelling. I usually support
| myself in Windows, so I?m likely to support myself equally in Linux or OS
| X.
|
| [...]
|
| Oh, and Vista's not faring well with the 64-bit stuff according to reports
| - so even this Windows situation is going to get worse before it comes
| close to getting better.
`----

http://channels.lockergnome.com/wind...vs_apple.phtml


XGL: Up And Beyond!

,----[ Quote ]
| There's Linux, there's OsX and there's Windows at the very bottom.
| On this site you'll be able to see each OS in action, showing some of
| their visual capabilities, and XGL pretty much kicks ass! It's just too
| laughable, Microsoft has been developing Vista since 2001, and this is
| what they got in the visual compartment, a 3D way of tabbing programs.
| Hurray! This is neat and all, but XGL is so much more, and the really
| funny thing is, that Vista requires "state of the art" hardware, at
| least fairly new hardware, for it to operate with its"?graphics". Whereas
| XGL can be run on low-end machines, pretty much not eating any resources,
| and yet its so much farther up and beyond anything in Vista's visual
| range it's almost not to believe.
|
| It's been a good run Microsoft, it really has, but I think it may be time
| to retire. Commercial/proprietary software has minimal or no place in the
| future of computing, deal with it.
`----

http://justpretending.net/wp/2006/08...up-and-beyond/


Will someone be left to work on it?

Good bye Microsoft; Pete has now left the building!

,----[ Quote ]
| Vista looks like a pile of crap compared to Mac OS X and Ubuntu with
| GLX. Their software is buggy, overpriced, and stress inducing. Their
| development tools are staid, designed and developed by committees to
| solve every problem you could ever conceive of, while being ideally
| suited to solving none.
`----

http://peterwright.blogspot.com/2006...-now-left.html

Microsoft Businesss Solutions Group's Burgum to resign

,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft Corp.'s Business Solutions group senior vice president Doug
| Burgum will resign, effective June 30, and leave the company to pursue
| other opportunities, the company said on Tuesday.
`----

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...mktNews&rpc=44

I'm Leaving Microsoft

,----[ Quote ]
| A number of my projects in Vista got cut and then my post-Vista work
| was continually held up but the whims of other teams.
`----

http://mediacenter.mattgoyer.com/arc...006/08/23/1170

Korologos to Retire From Microsoft Board

,----[ Quote ]
| ...Ann McLaughlin Korologos, chairman of the RAND Corp. board of
| trustees, has decided not to seek re-election to Microsoft's board
| of directors at the company's 2006 shareholder meeting.
`----

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060825/laf017.html?.v=70

,----[ Quote ]
| Niall Kennedy, a high-profile hire from Technorati who joined Microsoft
| in April 2006 as Program Manager for syndication with the Windows Live
| team, has quit. And quit with a bang. From Kennedy's "Leaving
| Microsoft" post: "Windows Live is under some heavy change,
| reorganization, pullback, and general paralysis and unfortunately my
| ability to perform, hire, and execute was completely frozen as well."
| Ouch. Kennedy is off to do a startup, according to his blog, as of August
| 18.
`----

http://tinyurl.com/rg4nn ( microsoft-watch.com )

Microsoft Security Guru Leaves for Amazon.com

,----[ Quote ]
| Jesper Johansson, a high-profile security guru at Microsoft, has left
| the company.
`----

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1996130,00.asp

AOL hires Microsoft manager

,----[ Quote ]
| Time Warner's AOL has hired a Microsoft manager as chief technical
| evangelist for AOL's wireless group, AOL said on Tuesday.
`----

http://news.com.com/2110-1030_3-6098...8313&subj=news


There also Bill Gates, Martin Taylor, a Key XBox vetaran, Robert Scoble...

Where do they all go?

XenSource hires ex-Microsoft exec

,----[ Quote ]
| XenSource, a start-up commercializing the open-source Xen
| virtualization software, said Thursday it has hired Gordon Mangione as
| senior vice president of product operations.
`----

http://news.com.com/2110-7344_3-6113...3641&subj=news

Ex-Microsoft Security Strategist Joins Mozilla

,----[ Quote ]
| Snyder most recently served as principal and founder of Matasano Security,
| a New York-based startup that was one of several external penetration
| testers hired by Microsoft to conduct simulated hacking attacks on
| Windows Vista.
`----

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2012804,00.asp

Any reason for all of this? How do the employees feel?

Niall Sez Microsoft is Too Big and Paralyzed

,----[ Quote ]
| Lots of echoes in the chamber rolled up at TechMeme. Rumblings of
| cut-backs and paralysis and Microsoft being the new IBM. I certainlya
| gree with the desire for Microsoft to be a way smaller company (thoughI
| think every time I say that, or ring a bell, 100 more people get hired).
| I'm not bought into the split-up, except for the sobering benefit of
| cutting off the cash-cow money flow that allows an abundance of waste
| and bad decisions elsewhere in the company.
`----

http://tinyurl.com/kdzmk (Mini Microsoft)

Windows Vista the last of its kind

,----[ Quote ]
| "The current, integrated architecture of Microsoft Windows is unsustainable
| - for enterprises and for Microsoft," (Gartner)
`----

http://www.techworld.com/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=6718

Yes, even Microsoft employees put their money on Linux:

....so that we can see all the bugs up, close, and personal.

,----[ Quote ]
| As SaaS (Software as a Service) and Web 2.0 apps take center stage, there
| is less and less motivation for customers to plunk down their dollars for
| a completely proprietary OS, and I see Linux gaining steam in that
| environment unless we are able to do something significant.
`----

http://blogs.msdn.com/ryanrogers/arc...08/660423.aspx

"SEOwebMarket.com" <webmail@seowebmarket.com> wrote:

> the phrase "the microsoft way". MS was founded on the theft and
> reverse engineering of a Macintosh.

Yup, and Steve Jobs is the grandchild of Satan. I am amazed at the number
of idiots this group seems to attract lately.


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On 17 Sep 2006 John Bokma wrote in alt.internet.search-engines

> I am amazed at the number
> of idiots this group seems to attract

Hi John

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Duende <myusenet@sify.com> wrote:

> On 17 Sep 2006 John Bokma wrote in alt.internet.search-engines
>
>> I am amazed at the number
>> of idiots this group seems to attract
>
> Hi John

:-) Hi Duende, long time no talk. I hope everything is well.

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On 17 Sep 2006 John Bokma wrote in alt.internet.search-engines

> Duende <myusenet@sify.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Sep 2006 John Bokma wrote in alt.internet.search-engines
>>
>>> I am amazed at the number
>>> of idiots this group seems to attract
>>
>> Hi John
>
>:-) Hi Duende, long time no talk. I hope everything is well.
>

All is well here except now I seem to be an idiot.

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Duende <myusenet@sify.com> wrote:

> On 17 Sep 2006 John Bokma wrote in alt.internet.search-engines
>
>> Duende <myusenet@sify.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17 Sep 2006 John Bokma wrote in alt.internet.search-engines
>>>
>>>> I am amazed at the number
>>>> of idiots this group seems to attract
>>>
>>> Hi John
>>
>>:-) Hi Duende, long time no talk. I hope everything is well.
>>
>
> All is well here except now I seem to be an idiot.

Can't remember you wrote nonsense about operating systems :-).

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John Bokma wrote:
> "SEOwebMarket.com" <webmail@seowebmarket.com> wrote:
>
> > the phrase "the microsoft way". MS was founded on the theft and
> > reverse engineering of a Macintosh.

LOL, for the uneducated "idiots", the movie is called "Pirates of
Silicone Valley".

True story about how windows is just a reverse engineered, bug-ridden,
make-shift immitation of the first Apple computer. Since then, Apple
has rewritten the entire system (OSX) in open-source code and based it
on a secure UNIX kernel that doesn't crash even while running 64-bit
and 32-bit apps side by side - so now microcrap can spend more time
trying to debug their pathetic immitation and spend less time cheating
and stealing secrets. It's been open-source for a few years now and
the clowns at microcrap still can't figure it out.

Mac has been able to run windows (in a window) since before 2000.

On 17 Sep 2006 John Bokma wrote in alt.internet.search-engines

> Duende <myusenet@sify.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Sep 2006 John Bokma wrote in alt.internet.search-engines
>>
>>> Duende <myusenet@sify.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17 Sep 2006 John Bokma wrote in alt.internet.search-engines
>>>>
>>>>> I am amazed at the number
>>>>> of idiots this group seems to attract
>>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>
>>>:-) Hi Duende, long time no talk. I hope everything is well.
>>>
>>
>> All is well here except now I seem to be an idiot.
>
> Can't remember you wrote nonsense about operating systems :-).
>

But I do only write nonsense. I thought the bit about operating systems was
optional.

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"SEOwebMarket.com" <webmail@seowebmarket.com> wrote:

>
> John Bokma wrote:
>> "SEOwebMarket.com" <webmail@seowebmarket.com> wrote:
>>
>> > the phrase "the microsoft way". MS was founded on the theft and
>> > reverse engineering of a Macintosh.
>
> LOL, for the uneducated "idiots", the movie is called "Pirates of
> Silicone Valley".
>
> True story about how windows is just a reverse engineered, bug-ridden,
> make-shift immitation of the first Apple computer.

Funny, since I always heard that both Jobs and Gates visited Xerox. You
know, that place where the mouse and the GUI was *invented*.

Since then, Apple
> has rewritten the entire system (OSX) in open-source code and based it
> on a secure UNIX kernel

There is very little you *do* know about yes?

> that doesn't crash even while running 64-bit
> and 32-bit apps side by side - so now microcrap can spend more time
> trying to debug their pathetic immitation and spend less time cheating
> and stealing secrets. It's been open-source for a few years now and
> the clowns at microcrap still can't figure it out.


In the mean time MS has still the largest market share, and will so for
several years to come :-)

> Mac has been able to run windows (in a window) since before 2000.

Why is there a need for such a thing if it's perfect? :-D.

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