anyone tryed this web site
http://www.ineedhits.com/special-offers/offers.aspx
can you comment their service ?
is it ok to use this automated optimization, keyword and submission service?
they say it is ok to submit a site on a monthly basis - is this out of time
now with Goolge spiders, Yahoo...

do I need to submit my site to 300+ SE ??? what do I get from that (isn't
Google, MSN, Yahoo, Lycos, DMOZ enough)
What I can do by myself in optimizing my website and not to pay iNeed hits ?
Do I save a lot of time by using their service?

Too many questions if anyone is happy to comment would appreciate

Thanks
Bruce

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:24:27 +0200, "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

>anyone tryed this web site
>http://www.ineedhits.com/special-offers/offers.aspx
>can you comment their service ?
>is it ok to use this automated optimization, keyword and submission service?
>they say it is ok to submit a site on a monthly basis - is this out of time
>now with Goolge spiders, Yahoo...

It's unnecessary. I wouldn't trust any site that tries to rip you off
like that.

>do I need to submit my site to 300+ SE ???

No you don't. They'll find you when you have inbound links.

> what do I get from that (isn't
>Google, MSN, Yahoo, Lycos, DMOZ enough)
>What I can do by myself in optimizing my website and not to pay iNeed hits ?

Study SEO. Or pay one of us.

>Do I save a lot of time by using their service?

Doesn't sound like it to me.

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> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:24:27 +0200, "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >anyone tryed this web site
> >http://www.ineedhits.com/special-offers/offers.aspx
> >can you comment their service ?
> >is it ok to use this automated optimization, keyword and submission
service?
> >they say it is ok to submit a site on a monthly basis - is this out of
time
> >now with Goolge spiders, Yahoo...
>
> It's unnecessary. I wouldn't trust any site that tries to rip you off
> like that.
>
> >do I need to submit my site to 300+ SE ???
>
> No you don't. They'll find you when you have inbound links.
>
> > what do I get from that (isn't
> >Google, MSN, Yahoo, Lycos, DMOZ enough)
> >What I can do by myself in optimizing my website and not to pay iNeed
hits ?
>
> Study SEO. Or pay one of us.
>
> >Do I save a lot of time by using their service?
>
> Doesn't sound like it to me.
>

I have been reading about SEO on hundreds of pages and still uncertain what
is good NOW, what's the trend? How much do you charge and for what? okradd
AT GmaiL

"BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have been reading about SEO on hundreds of pages and still uncertain
> what is good NOW,


content, semantic HTML (e.g. use h1 for a heading instead of <td><td><font
size=6><b><i>....) and inbound links.

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> "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I have been reading about SEO on hundreds of pages and still uncertain
> > what is good NOW,
>
>
> content, semantic HTML (e.g. use h1 for a heading instead of <td><td><font
> size=6><b><i>....) and inbound links.
>
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what about flash only sites are they "readable" by spiders ?
what about this quote ?
- first create an HTML site, and then use Flash movies in place of images,
buttons, and banners
- split your pages up by topic, instead of using one web page, and then
using multiple Flash movies for each page
- SE still don't index Flash sites quickly, if at all

"BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> what about flash only sites are they "readable" by spiders ?

Technically yes, since Macromedia has released an SDK to do such a thing.
But it depends on the flash how useful this is. And I have no idea if any
SE implements this SDK. Maybe none.

> what about this quote ?
> - first create an HTML site, and then use Flash movies in place of
> images, buttons, and banners

See no point in doing that, other then when someone assumes Flash movies
are spidered, and wants to hide text inside those movies.

> - split your pages up by topic, instead of using one web page, and
> then using multiple Flash movies for each page

Useless if SEs don't extract text from flash movies.

> - SE still don't index Flash sites quickly, if at all

Yup.

Note however that with a very cool Flash site you might get more visitors
by word of mouth compared to a boring HTML site + SEs.

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BT schreef:
> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns98407D9EFC887castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been reading about SEO on hundreds of pages and still uncertain
>>> what is good NOW,
>>
>> content, semantic HTML (e.g. use h1 for a heading instead of <td><td><font
>> size=6><b><i>....) and inbound links.
>>
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>>
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Hi BT,


> what about flash only sites are they "readable" by spiders ?

No.

> what about this quote ?
> - first create an HTML site, and then use Flash movies in place of images,
> buttons, and banners

A complete site in Flash is not spiderable, a HTML-site is. Flash, as in
your quote, should therefor only be used as an 'extra'.

> - split your pages up by topic, instead of using one web page, and then
> using multiple Flash movies for each page

Spliting up pages by topic, is recomended for every site.

> - SE still don't index Flash sites quickly, if at all

They do index them, the question is: What is there to index?



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tonnie <t.prasing@chello.nl> wrote:

> They do index them, the question is: What is there to index?

Plain tekst in the flash file. It can be done, in a similar way as the
text in a pdf file can be indexed...

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:39:23 +0200, "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:bg9og2hsjlr8a2gsm0k9fabpk6q8v66i5h@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:24:27 +0200, "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >anyone tryed this web site
>> >http://www.ineedhits.com/special-offers/offers.aspx
>> >can you comment their service ?
>> >is it ok to use this automated optimization, keyword and submission
>service?
>> >they say it is ok to submit a site on a monthly basis - is this out of
>time
>> >now with Goolge spiders, Yahoo...
>>
>> It's unnecessary. I wouldn't trust any site that tries to rip you off
>> like that.
>>
>> >do I need to submit my site to 300+ SE ???
>>
>> No you don't. They'll find you when you have inbound links.
>>
>> > what do I get from that (isn't
>> >Google, MSN, Yahoo, Lycos, DMOZ enough)
>> >What I can do by myself in optimizing my website and not to pay iNeed
>hits ?
>>
>> Study SEO. Or pay one of us.
>>
>> >Do I save a lot of time by using their service?
>>
>> Doesn't sound like it to me.
>>
>
>I have been reading about SEO on hundreds of pages and still uncertain what
>is good NOW, what's the trend? How much do you charge and for what? okradd
>AT GmaiL

You don't follow trends, you optimise the factors in the page that
matter and those that used to matter too because it's bound to come
back, and then get links.

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:27:32 +0200, "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns98407D9EFC887castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I have been reading about SEO on hundreds of pages and still uncertain
>> > what is good NOW,
>>
>>
>> content, semantic HTML (e.g. use h1 for a heading instead of <td><td><font
>> size=6><b><i>....) and inbound links.
>>
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>>
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>
>
>what about flash only sites are they "readable" by spiders ?
>what about this quote ?
>- first create an HTML site, and then use Flash movies in place of images,
>buttons, and banners
>- split your pages up by topic, instead of using one web page, and then
>using multiple Flash movies for each page

Where was that from?

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"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:27:32 +0200, "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> >news:Xns98407D9EFC887castleamber@130.133.1.4...
> >> "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have been reading about SEO on hundreds of pages and still
uncertain
> >> > what is good NOW,
> >>
> >>
> >> content, semantic HTML (e.g. use h1 for a heading instead of
<td><td><font
> >> size=6><b><i>....) and inbound links.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Need with SEO? Get started with a SEO report of your site:
> >>
> >> --> http://johnbokma.com/websitedesign/seo-expert-.html
> >
> >
> >what about flash only sites are they "readable" by spiders ?
> >what about this quote ?
> >- first create an HTML site, and then use Flash movies in place of
images,
> >buttons, and banners
> >- split your pages up by topic, instead of using one web page, and then
> >using multiple Flash movies for each page
>
> Where was that from?
>

think from here
http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Search-En...earch-Engines/
or here
http://www.search-this.com/website_p...ize_Flash.aspx

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:39:23 +0200, "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> >Do I save a lot of time by using their service?
>>
>> Doesn't sound like it to me.

ANY service that offers submission for a fee is ripping you off, run
away very fast because submission is a waste of time. It' like praying
for the sun to rise every day, you pray and the sun does rise, but it
would have risen without the prayer.

>
>I have been reading about SEO on hundreds of pages and still uncertain what
>is good NOW, what's the trend? How much do you charge and for what? okradd
>AT GmaiL

Read this http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/ and it will with the
basics. If you come across a site with significantly contradictory
information it's almost certainly wrong.

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On 16 Sep 2006 21:34:19 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

>tonnie <t.prasing@chello.nl> wrote:
>
>> They do index them, the question is: What is there to index?
>
>Plain tekst in the flash file. It can be done, in a similar way as the
>text in a pdf file can be indexed...

But you can't determine what will or won't be indexed or even
understood as text by the engines. There's some wrinkle I can very
vaguely remember from lo-o-o-ng ago... The SDK, I think it is, that
you can use to interpret text in a flash file, or extract text from a
flash file, doesn't necessarily go about this in the same way the
engines do. That's if they bother at all.

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:23:48 +0200, "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:uerog29s3m53ucolqqdelpcfsmru1finfj@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:27:32 +0200, "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
>> >news:Xns98407D9EFC887castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> >> "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have been reading about SEO on hundreds of pages and still
>uncertain
>> >> > what is good NOW,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> content, semantic HTML (e.g. use h1 for a heading instead of
><td><td><font
>> >> size=6><b><i>....) and inbound links.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> John Need with SEO? Get started with a SEO report of your site:
>> >>
>> >> --> http://johnbokma.com/websitedesign/seo-expert-.html
>> >
>> >
>> >what about flash only sites are they "readable" by spiders ?
>> >what about this quote ?
>> >- first create an HTML site, and then use Flash movies in place of
>images,
>> >buttons, and banners
>> >- split your pages up by topic, instead of using one web page, and then
>> >using multiple Flash movies for each page
>>
>> Where was that from?
>>
>
>think from here
>http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Search-En...earch-Engines/

I gave up with SEOCHAT ages ago, I don't know where they get their
writers.

>or here
>http://www.search-this.com/website_p...ize_Flash.aspx

That looks a little better, at a glance.

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Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On 16 Sep 2006 21:34:19 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:
>
>>tonnie <t.prasing@chello.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> They do index them, the question is: What is there to index?
>>
>>Plain tekst in the flash file. It can be done, in a similar way as the
>>text in a pdf file can be indexed...
>
> But you can't determine what will or won't be indexed or even
> understood as text by the engines.

I am not sure about that one, I mean, I have no idea what's stored as
readable text.

> There's some wrinkle I can very
> vaguely remember from lo-o-o-ng ago... The SDK, I think it is, that
> you can use to interpret text in a flash file, or extract text from a
> flash file, doesn't necessarily go about this in the same way the
> engines do. That's if they bother at all.

Yup, Macromedia released the SDK so everybody could extract the info the
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John Bokma schreef:
> tonnie <t.prasing@chello.nl> wrote:
>
>> They do index them, the question is: What is there to index?
>
> Plain tekst in the flash file. It can be done, in a similar way as the
> text in a pdf file can be indexed...

IIRC they started some time ago to do so, but look how far it has become
by now.

It either isn't that easy, or of very less priority by the search
engines. So, for now, for a searchengine, there aint that much to see.





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tonnie <t.prasing@chello.nl> wrote:

> John Bokma schreef:
>> tonnie <t.prasing@chello.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> They do index them, the question is: What is there to index?
>>
>> Plain tekst in the flash file. It can be done, in a similar way as the
>> text in a pdf file can be indexed...
>
> IIRC they started some time ago to do so, but look how far it has become
> by now.
>
> It either isn't that easy, or of very less priority by the search
> engines. So, for now, for a searchengine, there aint that much to see.

I guess the later :-D.

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"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
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> tonnie <t.prasing@chello.nl> wrote:
>
> > John Bokma schreef:
> >> tonnie <t.prasing@chello.nl> wrote:
> >>
> >>> They do index them, the question is: What is there to index?
> >>
> >> Plain tekst in the flash file. It can be done, in a similar way as the
> >> text in a pdf file can be indexed...
> >
> > IIRC they started some time ago to do so, but look how far it has become
> > by now.
> >
> > It either isn't that easy, or of very less priority by the search
> > engines. So, for now, for a searchengine, there aint that much to see.
>
> I guess the later :-D.
>
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John
check your site for this sentences....How many unique visitors you get a
day??? 10.000 or 10 ?

For example, this very site receives over 10,000 visitors every day. That's
right, visitors, not hits. On average that is about 10 visitors per page
every day. Some of the top pages get each hundreds of visitors every day.

"BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> John
> check your site for this sentences....How many unique visitors you get
> a day??? 10.000 or 10 ?
>
> For example, this very site receives over 10,000 visitors every day.
> That's
> right, visitors, not hits. On average that is about 10 visitors per
> page every day. Some of the top pages get each hundreds of visitors
> every day.

I get 10,000/day on my site.

On average that is 10 per page (when I wrote that I had 1,000 pages, so
10,000 visitors / 1,000 pages = 10)

English is not my native language, so any advice on how to improve the
above is welcome. But I thought it was clear :-)

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> "BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > John
> > check your site for this sentences....How many unique visitors you get
> > a day??? 10.000 or 10 ?
> >
> > For example, this very site receives over 10,000 visitors every day.
> > That's
> > right, visitors, not hits. On average that is about 10 visitors per
> > page every day. Some of the top pages get each hundreds of visitors
> > every day.
>
> I get 10,000/day on my site.
>
> On average that is 10 per page (when I wrote that I had 1,000 pages, so
> 10,000 visitors / 1,000 pages = 10)
>
> English is not my native language, so any advice on how to improve the
> above is welcome. But I thought it was clear :-)
>

Yes, sorry I wrote it without checking the math properly (didn't read 10
visitors per PAGE every day)
sorry. Anyway nice spider pics you got there :-)

"BT" <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> sorry. Anyway nice spider pics you got there :-)

Thanks :-) I made a few more yesterday (no tarantulas though), probably
online later this week.

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