On 29 Aug 2006 21:55:36 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

>Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> It's the obvious way to go. Placement and colouring is everything,
>> apparently. Don't go by my site though because I don't conform to the
>> best template. I should really reverse the page content with the
>> adsense ads so the content is on the right and the adsense on the left
>> like in traditional web menus. But I'm not chasing the revenue so I
>> let it ride.
>
>I understand that in my case horizontal and similar colour scheme as the
>rest of the site is the way to go :-)

Most likely. There's a specific size of ad that gets the most hits but
I forget what it is. I'll pass something along when I next stumble
over it.

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David <seodave@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote:

> On 29 Aug 2006 02:36:54 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:
>
>>David <seodave@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:00:33 +0200, "Jezsta Web Productions"
>>> <Please-use-our-contact-form@jezsta.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Jezsta Web Productions" <Please-use-our-contact-form@jezsta.com>
>>>>wrote in message news:ecsnco$lcd$02$1@news.t-online.com...
>>>>> Is this one of your sites that you have worked on
>>>>> luxuryvillaspain.co.uk ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yep, I see that it is www.kruse.co.uk/extreme-positioning.htm. Nice
>>>>spam job. http://www.luxuryvillaspain.co.uk/sitemap.htm .
>>>>
>>>
>>> Also here
>>> http://luxuryvillaspain.co.uk/locati...sta-blanca.php
>>> http://www.luxuryvillaspain.co.uk/lo...in-moraira.php
>>>
>>> That is so unethical stealing links from clients sites.
>>
>>Ouch, first canadafred, now Bill? Who's next?
>
> Hey I didn't go after Fred, he went after me because he thought I was
> after him!!

No, I mean, first canadafred was not ethical, and now Bill...

> They have both inspired me though.

:-D.

> I've hardly done any SEO related content (relative to other content),
> but I feel inspired to go after SEO SERPs now (thanks to bill and
> Fred).
>
> Registered a new site for UK specific SEO SERPs as well last week :-)
>
>>( tips his black hat )
>
> LOL

Yeah, no matter what you do, there is always one person who calls it
black hat :-D.

>>BTW 12+ k on weekdays last week, 10+ k in the weekend :-p
>> Prognosis: 15+ k by the end of the year :-D.
>
> Congratulations,

Thanks!

> my most popular site is between 8,000 and 14,000 this
> month (average about 11K). It seems to be stuck at that level for
> around 6 months now,

Join the club :-) Only recently I see that my site is getting more
visitors. And I didn't do anything special to make it stop, or start
again.

> not complaining as barely done anything in that
> time as building new sites for the future. Also quite happy with
> stable as the original jump was thanks to Amazon stores which are now
> mostly filtered from Google (so the lost Google traffic has been
> replaced as it was lost, hence stability).

I had for some time the feeling that my site got saturated, as in around
10k was what about the max was with me doing nothing to improve it, but
somehow the recent growth make me think different.

> Got some stuff I want to try on the main literature site that should
> add thousands of new visitors a day quite quickly.

Cool :-) I focus on article writing this week, and probably next week.

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David <seodave@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote:

> On 29 Aug 2006 18:36:10 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:


> Drop me an email via david at seo-gold.com and I'll tell you what I'd
> do with your site to increase traffic significantly.

I'll do later, thanks!

>>Yeah, I am aiming for 20K, but I also try to be modest. To be honest,
>>I was expecting to have 15K around this time, but somehow things have
>>slowed down with Google, or in ASCII art:
>
> Your site is what I consider a quick ranker. Because of it's age,
> quality of links, PR etc... anything you put on your site will rank
> relatively quickly and much higher than most sites. It's like when a
> popular news site like CNN adds an article sometimes it ranks really
> high for semi competitive SERPs.

Yup, I had already that feeling when I talked about sweet dreams several
months ago. It's sometimes too easy, I often can predict where I am going
to end up :-) I mean, perl support was a piece of cake to get. No idea if
it's actually going to bring me traffic, but it took me 5 minutes to write
that page :-)

> So if I put content on the home page of say seo-gold.com (which isn't
> a quick ranker) and you put the same content on your home page, yours
> would almost certainly beat mine.
>
> Same is true for internal pages, I have a few sites like this and they
> are brilliant for making high traffic, though I'm pretty sure yours
> would beat my sites content vs content.

:-D Sounds good.

>> - add a description to each page (just a short summary)
>
> It might with click thrus, but not SERPs increases.
>
>> - add keywords to each page (just 10 or so, kind of summary of the
>> summary)
>
> For Google a waste of time.
>
> I'm assuming you are talking meta tags here, not a spammy list of
> keywords on every page :-)

Yup meta. Both are to see if it has any effect for smaller SEs. But
moreover to me to manage my content. I have plans for a decicated
very simple editor to maintain my content (I already moved to an XML
editor since TextPad was not that good with XML) and keywords +
description are going to me to find back my own pages :-)

>>Do you recommend adsense? I am thinking about:
>
> Unless you have an alternative source of ad revenue or service/product
> you can sell to your visitors (do you sell scorpions etc... :-)). The
> great thing about AdSense is it can convert almost any traffic.

Not selling scorpions. And even if it was legal to sell them, I wouldn't
do it for several reasons :-) But yeah, with enough scorpion and tarantula
related traffic I might be able to contact pet shops directly and make an
arrangement with them. Since I can offer very targetted traffic it might
make more money compared to adsense. OTOH, it's a lot of extra work and
only works good if I let them pay in advance a fixed price for 6 months or
so :-)

>>[ short introduction of article (what is it, etc ]
>>
>>[ Ads by Goooooooooooooooooggggggle ]
>
> The best sort of layout I've found is like this-
>
> http://www.morearnings.com/2006/08/1...nections-with-
> google-adsense/
>
> The best performer by far is the square ad at the top of the content.
>
> I started an article about placement etc... here
> http://www.morearnings.com/2006/05/08/adsense-revenue/ must finish it.

Will read it. I have seen several articles on positioning, and blending it
into the content seems to work best.

OTOH, I have quite a large number of people who visit my site regularly
via bookmarks, and I don't want to scare those away with too much adsense
:-)

> You can see the heat map
> http://www.morearnings.com/wp-conten...sense-heat-map.
> gif that first square ad in the main content is in the orange/red zone
> so will get a lot of clicks.

Yup, as will a short intro in the orange part, and under it a wide adsense
rectangle (which will cover the red part). The bottom ad I have in mind
will be in the bottom orange part.

> With the traffic you have you could add just one ad unit like that and
> see significant revenue. Other ad units won't perform as well, but if
> you are looking for max revenue another ad unit at the bottom of the
> content is a good idea, I like to use a large rectangle like on the
> home page of http://www.morearnings.com/ but it doesn't fit in with
> the article pages of those sites because of the comments box, so I've
> added a banner type ad unit (low click thru, but it all counts).

I would make it horizontal on my page.

> Basically you add an ad at the bottom for visitors who finish the
> article and are probably going to leave your site. The one at the top
> is for when a visitor comes to your site, but doesn't find what they
> hoped for.

Yup, hence I want to put a short summary on top, 3-5 sentences, enough to
make them decide if they want to continue reading, or leave.

> If it works a long 160 by 600 unit on the menu will be clicked, but
> keep it in the orange/yellow zone (see heat map) as the white is
> almost pointless.
>
> BTW I use the search ads that open a Google search window like you see
> at the top of http://www.morearnings.com/ (that's a 468 by 15 unit),
> but they tend to not perform very well in my experience.

Ah, ok the one that looks like navigation. Yeah, I have seen those, and I
can imagine that they do very well.

> I've played around with the colours of ads and I find the contrasting
> ads to the design of the site like here
> http://www.classic-literature.co.uk/...century/franci
> s-bacon/ (refresh the page, there are four versions of the ad colours)
> result in higher click thru compared to blended ads (morearnings has
> blended), but they do come at the cost of the design. for a site like
> yours I'd use blended ads (make them look part of the site) as the
> user experience is important (I'm assuming you have a lot of repeat
> visitors and you like it that way).

Yes :-) And yeah, I agree with you, I think blended works the best for my
site, and not overdoing it.

> http://johnbokma.com/mexit/ would work well with a WordPress blog and
> would add relevant content to pages like
> http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2006/07/16/ rather than just the links.

Yes, I know what you mean, but this can be blamed on me. Normally I add a
small handwritten summary to pages like these (and pick better titles),
e.g.:

http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2006/07/02/

When I started my blog the idea was to have a short day summary, and links
to each "item" of the day. But some days have just one item, so I got
lazy, and put that item on the day itself. I probably should fix that one
day :-)


Another reason for the description tag is that I might going to use them
on month overview pages like: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2006/07/

I also have been thinking of writing each month a short summary about how
the month was :-) BTW: I do get hits for things like "All days of June".
Some people do need a calendar, or knuckles.

> There's a great plugin http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/PostTeaser that
> takes a snippet of your posts and adds them to the archive pages like
> you see here http://www.morearnings.com/category/adsense/ I have it
> set to around 125 characters from each post.

Yes, I want to do something like that one day with the index page of my
site (making it more blog like). I do something like that with my comment
pages though, and it's funny that some of them do get hits because of the
first paragraph + comments on that page.

> Normally Wordpress adds
> the whole article to the archived pages which can be a bit over kill
> content wise!

Yes :-) And thanks for that tip, I have been playing a little with
wordpress, and it certainly has a lot of potential.

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Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On 29 Aug 2006 21:55:36 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:
>
>>Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> It's the obvious way to go. Placement and colouring is everything,
>>> apparently. Don't go by my site though because I don't conform to the
>>> best template. I should really reverse the page content with the
>>> adsense ads so the content is on the right and the adsense on the left
>>> like in traditional web menus. But I'm not chasing the revenue so I
>>> let it ride.
>>
>>I understand that in my case horizontal and similar colour scheme as the
>>rest of the site is the way to go :-)
>
> Most likely. There's a specific size of ad that gets the most hits but
> I forget what it is. I'll pass something along when I next stumble
> over it.

Thanks!

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:39:41 +0100, Paul
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:43:24 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>If they hear me talking upstairs they're to come running as I live
>>alone on the ground floor!
>>
>>BB
>
>Knowing where you live Bill, they may call Derek Acorah <G>

Is he a ghost whisperer or some such?

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On 30 Aug 2006 05:10:24 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:

>David <seodave@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 29 Aug 2006 18:36:10 GMT, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Drop me an email via david at seo-gold.com and I'll tell you what I'd
>> do with your site to increase traffic significantly.
>
>I'll do later, thanks!
>
>>>Yeah, I am aiming for 20K, but I also try to be modest. To be honest,
>>>I was expecting to have 15K around this time, but somehow things have
>>>slowed down with Google, or in ASCII art:
>>
>> Your site is what I consider a quick ranker. Because of it's age,
>> quality of links, PR etc... anything you put on your site will rank
>> relatively quickly and much higher than most sites. It's like when a
>> popular news site like CNN adds an article sometimes it ranks really
>> high for semi competitive SERPs.
>
>Yup, I had already that feeling when I talked about sweet dreams several
>months ago. It's sometimes too easy, I often can predict where I am going
>to end up :-) I mean, perl support was a piece of cake to get. No idea if
>it's actually going to bring me traffic, but it took me 5 minutes to write
>that page :-)
>
>> So if I put content on the home page of say seo-gold.com (which isn't
>> a quick ranker) and you put the same content on your home page, yours
>> would almost certainly beat mine.
>>
>> Same is true for internal pages, I have a few sites like this and they
>> are brilliant for making high traffic, though I'm pretty sure yours
>> would beat my sites content vs content.
>
>:-D Sounds good.
>
>>> - add a description to each page (just a short summary)
>>
>> It might with click thrus, but not SERPs increases.
>>
>>> - add keywords to each page (just 10 or so, kind of summary of the
>>> summary)
>>
>> For Google a waste of time.
>>
>> I'm assuming you are talking meta tags here, not a spammy list of
>> keywords on every page :-)
>
>Yup meta. Both are to see if it has any effect for smaller SEs. But
>moreover to me to manage my content. I have plans for a decicated
>very simple editor to maintain my content (I already moved to an XML
>editor since TextPad was not that good with XML) and keywords +
>description are going to me to find back my own pages :-)
>
>>>Do you recommend adsense? I am thinking about:
>>
>> Unless you have an alternative source of ad revenue or service/product
>> you can sell to your visitors (do you sell scorpions etc... :-)). The
>> great thing about AdSense is it can convert almost any traffic.
>
>Not selling scorpions. And even if it was legal to sell them, I wouldn't
>do it for several reasons :-) But yeah, with enough scorpion and tarantula
>related traffic I might be able to contact pet shops directly and make an
>arrangement with them. Since I can offer very targetted traffic it might
>make more money compared to adsense. OTOH, it's a lot of extra work and
>only works good if I let them pay in advance a fixed price for 6 months or
>so :-)
>
>>>[ short introduction of article (what is it, etc ]
>>>
>>>[ Ads by Goooooooooooooooooggggggle ]
>>
>> The best sort of layout I've found is like this-
>>
>> http://www.morearnings.com/2006/08/1...nections-with-
>> google-adsense/
>>
>> The best performer by far is the square ad at the top of the content.
>>
>> I started an article about placement etc... here
>> http://www.morearnings.com/2006/05/08/adsense-revenue/ must finish it.
>
>Will read it. I have seen several articles on positioning, and blending it
>into the content seems to work best.
>
>OTOH, I have quite a large number of people who visit my site regularly
>via bookmarks, and I don't want to scare those away with too much adsense
>:-)

You don't have to, just a little will make a difference. Even a few
ads will bring you money, not a lot but it all s. When you start
getting seriously into though you have start wondering about other
things, like, are these ads taking potential clients away from my
site? Then you have to start going through the advertisers deciding
who to exclude and you end up wondering if it's worth it. None of
which bothers Dave as the whole point of most of his sites is to
direct people away from them through affiliate or adsense links. Same
with a couple of mine too. But you don't have sites like that so while
you can go all the way if you want to for someone wanting to earn a
few readies easy, I stress the easy, then small is best.

BB


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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:57:03 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:39:41 +0100, Paul
><lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:43:24 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>If they hear me talking upstairs they're to come running as I live
>>>alone on the ground floor!
>>>
>>>BB
>>
>>Knowing where you live Bill, they may call Derek Acorah <G>
>
>Is he a ghost whisperer or some such?
>
>BB

Calls himself a "psychic medium"
You never watch Most Haunted ?


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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:51:44 +0100, Paul
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:57:03 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:39:41 +0100, Paul
>><lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:43:24 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>If they hear me talking upstairs they're to come running as I live
>>>>alone on the ground floor!
>>>>
>>>>BB
>>>
>>>Knowing where you live Bill, they may call Derek Acorah <G>
>>
>>Is he a ghost whisperer or some such?
>>
>>BB
>
>Calls himself a "psychic medium"
>You never watch Most Haunted ?

Not where I live, no!

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:26:33 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:51:44 +0100, Paul
><lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:57:03 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:39:41 +0100, Paul
>>><lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:43:24 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>If they hear me talking upstairs they're to come running as I live
>>>>>alone on the ground floor!
>>>>>
>>>>>BB
>>>>
>>>>Knowing where you live Bill, they may call Derek Acorah <G>
>>>
>>>Is he a ghost whisperer or some such?
>>>
>>>BB
>>
>>Calls himself a "psychic medium"
>>You never watch Most Haunted ?
>
>Not where I live, no!

Can't get freeview in North Surrey ?
We can't have Sky because we are not allowed the dish on the walls
around here. Hence freeview. And its free
plh
Paul


>BB

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:34:41 +0100, Paul
<lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:26:33 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:51:44 +0100, Paul
>><lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:57:03 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:39:41 +0100, Paul
>>>><lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:43:24 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>If they hear me talking upstairs they're to come running as I live
>>>>>>alone on the ground floor!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BB
>>>>>
>>>>>Knowing where you live Bill, they may call Derek Acorah <G>
>>>>
>>>>Is he a ghost whisperer or some such?
>>>>
>>>>BB
>>>
>>>Calls himself a "psychic medium"
>>>You never watch Most Haunted ?
>>
>>Not where I live, no!
>
>Can't get freeview in North Surrey ?
>We can't have Sky because we are not allowed the dish on the walls
>around here. Hence freeview. And its free
>plh
>Paul

You know you can get Film 4 on that now? That's well worth it.

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:10:51 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:

>You know you can get Film 4 on that now? That's well worth it.

Oh yes. But a lot of old or foreign films on there too

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Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

[ ads scare returning visitors? ]
> You don't have to, just a little will make a difference. Even a few
> ads will bring you money, not a lot but it all s. When you start
> getting seriously into though you have start wondering about other
> things, like, are these ads taking potential clients away from my
> site? Then you have to start going through the advertisers deciding
> who to exclude and you end up wondering if it's worth it. None of
> which bothers Dave as the whole point of most of his sites is to
> direct people away from them through affiliate or adsense links. Same
> with a couple of mine too. But you don't have sites like that so while
> you can go all the way if you want to for someone wanting to earn a
> few readies easy, I stress the easy, then small is best.

Yeah, I want to start with ads on the heavy traffic pages first, and see
what happens. I don't want to put ads on each and every page yet.

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"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
news:Xns982F7BEE65467castleamber@130.133.1.4...
> Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [ ads scare returning visitors? ]
>> You don't have to, just a little will make a difference. Even a few
>> ads will bring you money, not a lot but it all s. When you start
>> getting seriously into though you have start wondering about other
>> things, like, are these ads taking potential clients away from my
>> site? Then you have to start going through the advertisers deciding
>> who to exclude and you end up wondering if it's worth it. None of
>> which bothers Dave as the whole point of most of his sites is to
>> direct people away from them through affiliate or adsense links. Same
>> with a couple of mine too. But you don't have sites like that so while
>> you can go all the way if you want to for someone wanting to earn a
>> few readies easy, I stress the easy, then small is best.
>
> Yeah, I want to start with ads on the heavy traffic pages first, and see
> what happens. I don't want to put ads on each and every page yet.
>


That's the beauty of AdSense for search, you can
put it prominently on every page and not upset anyone.

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:04:53 +0100, "T.J." <no1@home.invalid> wrote:

>> Yeah, I want to start with ads on the heavy traffic pages first, and see
>> what happens. I don't want to put ads on each and every page yet.

I have over 5000 pages on my site, but adsense on about 5 only.
Does me okay.

plh
Paul

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