Is it possible to load a page with to much contrent from an seo
standpoint. I am considering changing a critacle page on my site to
look like this
http://www.summerlin-las-vegas-real-.../hometest1.rub .

If you have time please take a gander and let me know if that is spammy
from an seo point of view.

Vegas-Kid

"Vegas-real-estate-kid" <derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.summerlin-las-vegas-real-.../hometest1.rub

3x summerlin in the title is already spammy to me. I skip those links in
Google. Moreover, your text is unreadable for humans IMO. Can you write
one more time Summerlin?

To me it looks desperate. Try to add sentences that flow in your content
are pleasant to read not:

Sum sum summerlin sum sum summerlin sum summerlin sum summer lin summer
sum summerlin lin sum summer summer lin sum mer mer lin summer lin.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:55:09 +0200, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
wrote:

> Sum sum summerlin sum sum summerlin sum summerlin sum summer lin summer
> sum summerlin lin sum summer summer lin sum mer mer lin summer lin.

Any melody line to that?

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"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
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> "Vegas-real-estate-kid" <derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.summerlin-las-vegas-real-.../hometest1.rub
>
> 3x summerlin in the title is already spammy to me. I skip those links in
> Google. Moreover, your text is unreadable for humans IMO. Can you write
> one more time Summerlin?
>
> To me it looks desperate. Try to add sentences that flow in your content
> are pleasant to read not:
>
> Sum sum summerlin sum sum summerlin sum summerlin sum summer lin summer
> sum summerlin lin sum summer summer lin sum mer mer lin summer lin.


Yep, and he should be concentrating more on Las Vegas and Nevada but not as
much as he has done with Summerlin. Who has heard of Summerlin, not much?

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Borek <m.borkowski@delete.chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:55:09 +0200, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sum sum summerlin sum sum summerlin sum summerlin sum summer lin summer
>> sum summerlin lin sum summer summer lin sum mer mer lin summer lin.
>
> Any melody line to that?

Probably "The Jamies" would do well.

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> Yep, and he should be concentrating more on Las Vegas and Nevada but not as
> much as he has done with Summerlin. Who has heard of Summerlin, not much?
>


Anyone who lives in Las Vegas knows that summerlin is a master planned
community of HIGH end real estate. See, it's called target marketing.
I can start off as a new domain and go after "las Vegas real estate"
and see no success for 3 years, or, i can target something with less
competition and higher revenues.

"Is it possible to load a page with to much content from an seo
standpoint." Why is there 5 replies but not response to the actual
question?

I asked for your opinions from a seo perspective. While I appreciate
your response I was looking for you to analyze the page from your
professions point of view. If I wanted advice on real estate markets,
I would talk to myself.

I do appreciate you taking the time to respond and will take your
advice into consideration and tone down the keywords; however, I would
have valued it much more if it were from an seo perspective.

Vegas Kid

"Vegas-real-estate-kid" <derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Yep, and he should be concentrating more on Las Vegas and Nevada but
>> not as much as he has done with Summerlin. Who has heard of
>> Summerlin, not much?
>>
>
>
> Anyone who lives in Las Vegas knows that summerlin is a master planned
> community of HIGH end real estate. See, it's called target marketing.
> I can start off as a new domain and go after "las Vegas real estate"
> and see no success for 3 years, or, i can target something with less
> competition and higher revenues.
>
> "Is it possible to load a page with to much content from an seo
> standpoint." Why is there 5 replies but not response to the actual
> question?

Because this is Usenet? A place were one can get free advice (or not)?
We are all volunteers trying to you. If you want high quality
advice consider hiring any of us.

> I asked for your opinions from a seo perspective. While I appreciate
> your response I was looking for you to analyze the page from your
> professions point of view.

So you want free professional advice? Maybe we can make a deal, you give
me a free piece of real estate in Sum Sum Sum Summerlin, and I give you
1 year free advice :-)

> I do appreciate you taking the time to respond and will take your
> advice into consideration and tone down the keywords; however, I would
> have valued it much more if it were from an seo perspective.

It was, it's called keyword stuffing. There is no much point in having
your page appear on #1 of a SERP if the title people see is

*Summerlin ... Summerlin ... Summerlin ...*

Summerlin bla bla bla Summerlin bla Vegas bla Summerlin
bla b la bla Summerlin

I skip those results and I am probably not alone. It looks cheap and
spammy.

Also, once a customer is on your site do you want him/her to read
something that makes him/her do business with you, or do you want to
please a robot with feeding it the same word 73 [1] times?

[1] Aargh, I tried to exaggerate in a subtle way, the real figure
however,
seems to be 123 (!)


Free tip: change your title to something like:

Summerlin Real Estate - Your dream home in Summerlin, Las Vegas

Ok, another freebee: change all your h3's into h2's.

Moreover (yes! more free tips), you might want to change:

The Arbors - The Arbors' higher elevation delivers unparalleled views
of the city. Stretching across nearly 1,300 acres, bla bla bla



into:

<dl>
<dt><a href="..."><h3>The arbors</h3></a></dt>
<dd>The Arbors higher bla bla bla</dd>
:
:
</dl>


My HTML is a bit rusty, and I don't want to look up if the a element
should be inside the h3 or vice versa.

With some CSS tweaking you can make it look like it's now, but it might
be better SEO wise thanks to the h3 (yes, that was the "black hat" trick
of this week).


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"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
news:Xns982ACE452376Fcastleamber@130.133.1.4...
> Borek <m.borkowski@delete.chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:55:09 +0200, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sum sum summerlin sum sum summerlin sum summerlin sum summer lin summer
>>> sum summerlin lin sum summer summer lin sum mer mer lin summer lin.
>>
>> Any melody line to that?
>
> Probably "The Jamies" would do well.
>

I was humming
We all live in a yellow summerlin

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> I skip those results and I am probably not alone. It looks cheap and
> spammy.

I disagree, I think you skip those results because your educated and
know what is hapening behind the scenes. The majority of my consumers
dont have the slightest and go to where ever aol, google and yahoo tell
them to. Sad but true.

That being said, i appreciate your opinion and will probably tone down
the keywords some.


> Also, once a customer is on your site do you want him/her to read
> something that makes him/her do business with you, or do you want to
> please a robot with feeding it the same word 73 [1] times?

The goal is simply to get people into the home search. I'm not trying
to sell them on Summerlin, they have already decided that by searching
for "Summerlin real estate" or Homes in Summerlin". I am trying to
sell the search engine on summerlin and sell the visitor a house. Does
the search engine think it's to much is what i care about.

> Free tip: change your title to something like:
>
> Summerlin Real Estate - Your dream home in Summerlin, Las Vegas
>
> Ok, another freebee: change all your h3's into h2's.


Thanks for tips John, I'm not asking anyone here to do my work, i am
seeking advise from professionls like yourself who dont mind taking a
minute to out noobs like myself. If this is not the place to post
questions about seo tactics, then i apologize, but i thought it was.

Truely, i do appreciate you taking the time to post those tips.

Vegas-Kid

Jezsta Web Productions wrote:
> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns982AAC1BA16B0castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>
>>"Vegas-real-estate-kid" <derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.summerlin-las-vegas-real-.../hometest1.rub
>>
>>3x summerlin in the title is already spammy to me. I skip those links in
>>Google. Moreover, your text is unreadable for humans IMO. Can you write
>>one more time Summerlin?
>>
>>To me it looks desperate. Try to add sentences that flow in your content
>>are pleasant to read not:
>>
>>Sum sum summerlin sum sum summerlin sum summerlin sum summer lin summer
>>sum summerlin lin sum summer summer lin sum mer mer lin summer lin.
>
>
>
> Yep, and he should be concentrating more on Las Vegas and Nevada but not as
> much as he has done with Summerlin. Who has heard of Summerlin, not much?
>
> Stacey

I heard of it summerlin but not a lotterlin

Jez.

"Vegas-real-estate-kid" <derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156555796.353649.326180@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> Yep, and he should be concentrating more on Las Vegas and Nevada but not
>> as
>> much as he has done with Summerlin. Who has heard of Summerlin, not much?
>>
>
>
> Anyone who lives in Las Vegas knows that summerlin is a master planned
> community of HIGH end real estate. See, it's called target marketing.
> I can start off as a new domain and go after "las Vegas real estate"
> and see no success for 3 years, or, i can target something with less
> competition and higher revenues.

So, you don't want anyone else to move to Summerlin just people from Las
Vegas? Use both and lessen Summerlin.


> "Is it possible to load a page with to much content from an seo
> standpoint." Why is there 5 replies but not response to the actual
> question?

It was answered. I agreed with John you have to much Summerlin!

Stacey

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"Vegas-real-estate-kid" <derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> I skip those results and I am probably not alone. It looks cheap and
>> spammy.
>
> I disagree,

Of course, otherwise you did something stupid on your site :-D.

> I think you skip those results because your educated and
> know what is hapening behind the scenes.

Yup, can only talk for myself, but imagine: x% of the people who might
find your site don't go there because the title looks like crap.

Questions:

- can you get the same effect with a normal title (I say: YES)
- how big is x%? (I have no idea).

But yeah, some people might click. Then the next question is, how many
people stop reading after 30 times the same keyword? Ask someone to read
it, and what he thinks of the text. You might lose y% because the text
is crap.

Question:

- how big is y% (I have no idea).


In my opinion you're throwing away (x% + y%) visitors because you use
SEO techniques of the previous century, because I am afraid that Google
also is aware of the repeated keywords. This awareness might grow in the
coming years...

> That being said, i appreciate your opinion and will probably tone down
> the keywords some.

Good point. I always write just as natural as possible and have no
problem to get a good serp. I have no idea of how hard your competition
is, but by aiming wide and writing natural you might get a little more
visitors, and more serious visitors. Never look down at your customers
:-D.

>> Also, once a customer is on your site do you want him/her to read
>> something that makes him/her do business with you, or do you want to
>> please a robot with feeding it the same word 73 [1] times?
>
> The goal is simply to get people into the home search. I'm not trying
> to sell them on Summerlin, they have already decided that by searching
> for "Summerlin real estate" or Homes in Summerlin". I am trying to
> sell the search engine on summerlin

And you think the search engine is "stupid" and does give you a bonus
point for every occurence of summerlin?

> and sell the visitor a house. Does
> the search engine think it's to much is what i care about.

Wrong: you should care about: if I get x visitors, does y% of those
visitors go away because the text looks crap?

>> Free tip: change your title to something like:
>>
>> Summerlin Real Estate - Your dream home in Summerlin, Las Vegas
>>
>> Ok, another freebee: change all your h3's into h2's.
>
> Thanks for tips John, I'm not asking anyone here to do my work, i am
> seeking advise from professionls like yourself who dont mind taking a
> minute to out noobs like myself. If this is not the place to
> post questions about seo tactics, then i apologize, but i thought it
> was.
>
> Truely, i do appreciate you taking the time to post those tips.


Those were good SEO tips. A h2 has more weight compared to a h3, so
using one h1, and for your other headings h3 is missing some weight IMO.

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"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
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>
> Those were good SEO tips. A h2 has more weight compared to a h3, so
> using one h1, and for your other headings h3 is missing some weight IMO.

John he was told this and about his title and a few other pointers that he
refused to follow.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.i...aa197001e760cb

This has happened before with others that you try an give advice to then
they don't follow. Then get all hyper because no one gives them to much more
detail when they ask again. Why should I give out the same advice and waste
my time once again? I am for one fed up with it and which is why not offer
it to much any more.

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"Jezsta Web Productions" <Please-use-our-contact-form@jezsta.com> wrote:

> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns982B7A3A44A04castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>
>>
>> Those were good SEO tips. A h2 has more weight compared to a h3, so
>> using one h1, and for your other headings h3 is missing some weight
>> IMO.
>
> John he was told this and about his title and a few other pointers
> that he refused to follow.
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.i...s/browse_frm/t
> hread/b830cc3c1f3272ab/8daa197001e760cb?lnk=gst&q=%22Google++and+CSS%22
> +Vegas+Jezsta&rnum=1#8daa197001e760cb
>
> This has happened before with others that you try an give advice to
> then they don't follow.

I once asked money for advice (remember the SEO reports), and I am afraid
that some didn't follow the advice as well. And then I felt bad about it,
so I stopped advertizing. It's a shame, because I do think I give sound
advice. But sometimes I want to take the website of the customer, burn it,
and put my own version there. It gets too personal :-)


> Then get all hyper because no one gives them
> to much more detail when they ask again. Why should I give out the
> same advice and waste my time once again? I am for one fed up with it
> and which is why not offer it to much any more.

Yeah, I often keep in mind that this group has plenty of lurkers who are
afraid (or don't care) to ask questions, but do like to read tips. So even
if the OP doesn't "get it", others might have learned a thing or two.

Other thing is that it makes me think again about things :-)

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John Bokma wrote:
>
> Those were good SEO tips. A h2 has more weight compared to a h3, so
> using one h1, and for your other headings h3 is missing some weight IMO.
>

I replaced the h3's with h2's and put some h3's as my table headings.
I also changed the title as you suggested. I toned down the keywords a
touch but your still going to think it's spammy, and i am okay with
that. I'm looking at my competitors sites and see them sucesfully
using this tactic.

google results for "summerlin real estate"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.i...%3Fhl%3Den%26&

my site
http://www.summerlin-las-vegas-real-...eal-estate.rub

I'm not sure i want to put the h3's on the village titles. I already
have awsome placement for those terms on thier individual pages. If it
aint broke dont fix it right.

Thanks again John, Appreciate your advise!

Vegas-Kid

On 26 Aug 2006 16:48:20 -0700, "Vegas-real-estate-kid"
<derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>John Bokma wrote:
>>
>> Those were good SEO tips. A h2 has more weight compared to a h3, so
>> using one h1, and for your other headings h3 is missing some weight IMO.
>>
>
>I replaced the h3's with h2's and put some h3's as my table headings.
>I also changed the title as you suggested. I toned down the keywords a
>touch but your still going to think it's spammy, and i am okay with
>that. I'm looking at my competitors sites and see them sucesfully
>using this tactic.

You see them as having succeeded back when they did with this tactic.
This is not the same thing as succeeding with it now today. It may
well be that the days you could get away with that are gone. Quite
possibly they succeeded then because of the spam but that made them
visible and due to their visibility they got solid good inbound links
and that's why they survive, not because of the way they spam.

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On 26 Aug 2006 01:43:59 -0700, "Vegas-real-estate-kid"
<derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote:

>Truely, i do appreciate you taking the time to post those tips.
>
>Vegas-Kid

It that supposed to be "Summerlin Recourses" ?

Surely it should be "Summerlin Resources"

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"Vegas-real-estate-kid" <derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks again John, Appreciate your advise!

You're welcome :-D.

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Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On 26 Aug 2006 16:48:20 -0700, "Vegas-real-estate-kid"
> <derrick.wallner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>John Bokma wrote:
>>>
>>> Those were good SEO tips. A h2 has more weight compared to a h3, so
>>> using one h1, and for your other headings h3 is missing some weight
>>> IMO.
>>>
>>
>>I replaced the h3's with h2's and put some h3's as my table headings.
>>I also changed the title as you suggested. I toned down the keywords
>>a touch but your still going to think it's spammy, and i am okay with
>>that. I'm looking at my competitors sites and see them sucesfully
>>using this tactic.
>
> You see them as having succeeded back when they did with this tactic.
> This is not the same thing as succeeding with it now today. It may
> well be that the days you could get away with that are gone. Quite
> possibly they succeeded then because of the spam but that made them
> visible and due to their visibility they got solid good inbound links
> and that's why they survive, not because of the way they spam.

Very true. Like I wrote today somewhere: sites that do well today might
vanish overnight because Google just pushes a button or two.

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