From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5278370.stm

Google could face legal action in Brazil for failing to provide
details of site users allegedly involved in pornography and crime.
Brazilian prosecutors say that Google's community website Orkut -
popular in Brazil - contains information promoting crime and child
pornography.

Federal prosecutors want a judge to order Google in Brazil to disclose
users' information or be closed down.

They also want Google to pay $61m (£32.2m) as a fine for damages.

The prosecutors say this fine stems from Google's failure to obey
former judicial orders.

By withholding information about Orkut users, Google is thwarting a
separate criminal investigation, the prosecutors argue.

User information

However, in reaction to news of the prosecutors' complaint last week,
Google said that it had met all requirements.

"We have obeyed all the judicial orders that requested we remove undue
content," said Google spokesperson Nicole Wong at the time.

"Some orders demanded that we turn over user information for
investigation and we complied," she said.

Google also said Brazilian officials should request information from
the US, since that is where Orkut pages were hosted.

The search engine said it did not hold information about its users or
any of Orkut's online communities in Brazil.

Based on Google information, Orkut has about 16 million users, of
which nearly three-quarters are Brazilian.


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__/ [ Paul ] on Thursday 24 August 2006 10:13 \__

> From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5278370.stm
>
> Google could face legal action in Brazil for failing to provide
> details of site users allegedly involved in pornography and crime.
> Brazilian prosecutors say that Google's community website Orkut -
> popular in Brazil - contains information promoting crime and child
> pornography.
>
> <snip />

In related new, MSN Messenger has just gotten a panic button for kids to
report sexual predators. It's sad, isn't it? The Internet has become a
heaven for mentally-deranged people. And the UK government wants to collect
everyone's encryption keys... because of paedophiles.

Best wishes,

Roy

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:20:32 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:

>__/ [ Paul ] on Thursday 24 August 2006 10:13 \__
>
>> From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5278370.stm
>>
>> Google could face legal action in Brazil for failing to provide
>> details of site users allegedly involved in pornography and crime.
>> Brazilian prosecutors say that Google's community website Orkut -
>> popular in Brazil - contains information promoting crime and child
>> pornography.
>>
>> <snip />
>
>In related new, MSN Messenger has just gotten a panic button for kids to
>report sexual predators. It's sad, isn't it? The Internet has become a
>heaven for mentally-deranged people.

Much like AISE lately.

> And the UK government wants to collect
>everyone's encryption keys... because of paedophiles.

Yeah right - because of paedophiles! We're all gonna fall for that
one!

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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:

> __/ [ Paul ] on Thursday 24 August 2006 10:13 \__
>
>> From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5278370.stm
>>
>> Google could face legal action in Brazil for failing to provide
>> details of site users allegedly involved in pornography and crime.
>> Brazilian prosecutors say that Google's community website Orkut -
>> popular in Brazil - contains information promoting crime and child
>> pornography.
>>
>> <snip />
>
> In related new, MSN Messenger has just gotten a panic button for kids
> to report sexual predators. It's sad, isn't it? The Internet has
> become a heaven for mentally-deranged people. And the UK government
> wants to collect everyone's encryption keys... because of paedophiles.

I thought it was because of parents who think it's a good idea to let your
kids behind the computer unsupervised when they are 9 years old without
even understanding the basics themselves?

Anyway, for some time I was wondering:

compared to 30 years ago:

- has the probability increased that a child encounters an adult
that shows his private parts?
- has the probability increased that an adult sets up a meeting with
a child?

I wonder if there are real figures of the above, or that just everybody
thinks: adult + webcam + child + webcam = abuse heaven.

Moreover, it's not tackling the real problem: lazy ignorant parents.
IMNSHO if a kid sees a naked guy on his MSN Messenger the parents should
be kicked in their asses, hard.

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John Bokma wrote:

> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>
>> __/ [ Paul ] on Thursday 24 August 2006 10:13 \__
>>
>>> From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5278370.stm
>>>
>>> Google could face legal action in Brazil for failing to provide
>>> details of site users allegedly involved in pornography and crime.
>>> Brazilian prosecutors say that Google's community website Orkut -
>>> popular in Brazil - contains information promoting crime and child
>>> pornography.
>>>
>>> <snip />
>>
>> In related new, MSN Messenger has just gotten a panic button for kids
>> to report sexual predators. It's sad, isn't it? The Internet has
>> become a heaven for mentally-deranged people. And the UK government
>> wants to collect everyone's encryption keys... because of paedophiles.
>
> I thought it was because of parents who think it's a good idea to let your
> kids behind the computer unsupervised when they are 9 years old without
> even understanding the basics themselves?

Agreed, parents need to be educated about this a lot more than they
are now.

> Anyway, for some time I was wondering:
>
> compared to 30 years ago:
>
> - has the probability increased that a child encounters an adult
> that shows his private parts?
> - has the probability increased that an adult sets up a meeting with
> a child?

In the wild: I don't think so. But obviously, the internet is a large
place with lots of contact. Do the math: how many people do you talk
to online every day, usenet included? How many people would you have
been talking to every day if you lived in the pre-internet age?

> I wonder if there are real figures of the above, or that just everybody
> thinks: adult + webcam + child + webcam = abuse heaven.

Do the test yourself - pretend to be a 10 or 11 year old on myspace,
and see how fast you get 'friends' that aren't quite kosher.

> Moreover, it's not tackling the real problem: lazy ignorant parents.
> IMNSHO if a kid sees a naked guy on his MSN Messenger the parents should
> be kicked in their asses, hard.

The problem is, that it's not the other person that's naked on the
webcam. Kids get lured into exposing themselves, for money. They don't
even get to see the adult on the other end.
12 year old encounters people on MSN, and after making friends (they
portray themselves as peers, not adults), they get the kid to take his
shirt off for money. Slowly they get the kid to do a lot more, one
step at a time. There's a whole network of paedophiles who swap msn
addresses of kids that are succesfully lured into this.

(Saw a very informative Oprah show a little while ago)

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Els <els.aNOSPAM@tiscali.nl> wrote:

> John Bokma wrote:

>> Anyway, for some time I was wondering:
>>
>> compared to 30 years ago:
>>
>> - has the probability increased that a child encounters an adult
>> that shows his private parts?
>> - has the probability increased that an adult sets up a meeting with
>> a child?
>
> In the wild: I don't think so. But obviously, the internet is a large
> place with lots of contact. Do the math: how many people do you talk
> to online every day, usenet included? How many people would you have
> been talking to every day if you lived in the pre-internet age?

The problem is, one can only do the math with good figures. It takes
only one adult to abuse a child. When I was young we heard constantly to
be aware of the "kinderlokker" (child enticer?).

>> I wonder if there are real figures of the above, or that just
>> everybody thinks: adult + webcam + child + webcam = abuse heaven.
>
> Do the test yourself - pretend to be a 10 or 11 year old on myspace,
> and see how fast you get 'friends' that aren't quite kosher.

I have been hanging around in a very busy chat, and in 2+ years time
there was just one not kosher person. There was however a "someone"
telling that she was 19, then she was suddenly 17 (jail bait), and when
you where not interested in getting a bj from here, she was suddenly 11.
Some suspected that she was a cop.

>> Moreover, it's not tackling the real problem: lazy ignorant parents.
>> IMNSHO if a kid sees a naked guy on his MSN Messenger the parents
>> should be kicked in their asses, hard.
>
> The problem is, that it's not the other person that's naked on the
> webcam. Kids get lured into exposing themselves, for money. They don't
> even get to see the adult on the other end.

Weird, since most things I have heard mentioned a male showing his
private parts in front of the webcam... Do you have figures of what is
exactly the problem (e.g. x% is lured into exposing him/herself, y% is
confronted with a masturbating male, etc.)

> 12 year old encounters people on MSN, and after making friends (they
> portray themselves as peers, not adults), they get the kid to take his
> shirt off for money. Slowly they get the kid to do a lot more, one
> step at a time. There's a whole network of paedophiles who swap msn
> addresses of kids that are succesfully lured into this.
>
> (Saw a very informative Oprah show a little while ago)

Ah, ok. But I am curious as of figures :-) Most stories I have heard
were of the "guy waving his dick" in front of the webcam type. And of
course guy trying to arrange an IRL.

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__/ [ Big Bill ] on Thursday 24 August 2006 16:46 \__

> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:20:32 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
> <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>
>>__/ [ Paul ] on Thursday 24 August 2006 10:13 \__
>>
>>> From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5278370.stm
>>>
>>> Google could face legal action in Brazil for failing to provide
>>> details of site users allegedly involved in pornography and crime.
>>> Brazilian prosecutors say that Google's community website Orkut -
>>> popular in Brazil - contains information promoting crime and child
>>> pornography.
>>>
>>> <snip />
>>
>>In related new, MSN Messenger has just gotten a panic button for kids to
>>report sexual predators. It's sad, isn't it? The Internet has become a
>>heaven for mentally-deranged people.
>
> Much like AISE lately.


G2 and spammers? *grin*


>> And the UK government wants to collect
>>everyone's encryption keys... because of paedophiles.
>
> Yeah right - because of paedophiles! We're all gonna fall for that
> one!


More compelling than "because we need to identify terrorists"? I doubt it.
Either way, there's some serious eavesdropping on Ethernet in American
compuses. And from what I can gather, Windows offers a trap door to all your
files, as well as remote control of the machine. Encryption is one thing
that even remote control cannot penetrate as the passphrase is needed to
decrypted data. Windows Vista Bitlocker appears to be the exception because
the UK government held talk withy Microsoft earlier this year. They may get
a back door to Windows filesystem exception, as well. The solutions to this
would have to be rather radical. As for search engines, I came across the
following yesterday:

http://mrl.nyu.edu/~dhowe/trackmenot/

With AOL around, you can never be sure...

Best wishes,

Roy

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