On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:58:57 +0200, ".:J:."
<MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:

>> Right then,
>> IS your site a scam site ? After all, that was your subject header.
>> If it was, then you knew you were doing wrong and you cannot complain.
>>
>> If there was no way on earth that is was, then ;
>> 1: You should have used a different subject header.
>> 2: You were not punished.
>>
>> You were not clear on "90% drop from one day to the other"
>>
>> 90% of what ?
>> visitors ?
>> loss of adsense earnings ?
>>
>> If loss of visitors, then adsense wasn't your problem.
>> If it is loss of earnings with roughly the same amount of clicks, then
>> that could be for a number of reasons.
>>
>> I had adsense a while ago. Was earning double figures per day. All of
>> a sudden my earnings were half of what I was earning.
>>
>> Don't forget there is a click fraud algo and I think it is already out
>> there.
>>
>> There are lots of factors.
>> Contact google if you think there is a problem.
>>
>> plh
>> Paul
>
>
>Right. My site was build with ads in mind.

That's your first mistake.
You should build sites for visitors. AFAICR it is against Googles TOS
to build sites for adsense. And rightly so.

> I'm not really complaining, since it's only a test site, but curious to find a reason and learn from that.

That's okay then.

>The 90% was a traffic drop. Adsense just follows the drop relatively.

That's obvious.
Less traffic = less clicks.

>So, I was wondering about the reason for the drop. I saw on three sites on
>one day, one specific IP sucking all pages. Could it've been copied,
>published, and thus be taking the same traffic on another site ?

Google, as you probably know are having problems atm.
Have you tried to see if any of your work has been copied ? Have you
looked to see how many of your pages are still cached etc ?

Even on my sites, pages that were cached before have decached. The
deep bot hasn't visited as often as before.
I am just playing the waiting game atm while the bots do their job.

But best of all, make a site with content that visitors will want to
read and return to, and have adverts on there.
Don't make a site full of adverts and then try to add content. Esp
scraped content.

hth
plh
Paul


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"Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:58:57 +0200, ".:J:."
> <MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>> Right then,
>>> IS your site a scam site ? After all, that was your subject header.
>>> If it was, then you knew you were doing wrong and you cannot complain.
>>>
>>> If there was no way on earth that is was, then ;
>>> 1: You should have used a different subject header.
>>> 2: You were not punished.
>>>
>>> You were not clear on "90% drop from one day to the other"
>>>
>>> 90% of what ?
>>> visitors ?
>>> loss of adsense earnings ?
>>>
>>> If loss of visitors, then adsense wasn't your problem.
>>> If it is loss of earnings with roughly the same amount of clicks, then
>>> that could be for a number of reasons.
>>>
>>> I had adsense a while ago. Was earning double figures per day. All of
>>> a sudden my earnings were half of what I was earning.
>>>
>>> Don't forget there is a click fraud algo and I think it is already out
>>> there.
>>>
>>> There are lots of factors.
>>> Contact google if you think there is a problem.
>>>
>>> plh
>>> Paul
>>
>>
>>Right. My site was build with ads in mind.
>
> That's your first mistake.
> You should build sites for visitors. AFAICR it is against Googles TOS
> to build sites for adsense. And rightly so.
>
>> I'm not really complaining, since it's only a test site, but curious to
>> find a reason and learn from that.
>
> That's okay then.
>
>>The 90% was a traffic drop. Adsense just follows the drop relatively.
>
> That's obvious.
> Less traffic = less clicks.
>
>>So, I was wondering about the reason for the drop. I saw on three sites on
>>one day, one specific IP sucking all pages. Could it've been copied,
>>published, and thus be taking the same traffic on another site ?
>
> Google, as you probably know are having problems atm.
> Have you tried to see if any of your work has been copied ? Have you
> looked to see how many of your pages are still cached etc ?
>
> Even on my sites, pages that were cached before have decached. The
> deep bot hasn't visited as often as before.
> I am just playing the waiting game atm while the bots do their job.
>
> But best of all, make a site with content that visitors will want to
> read and return to, and have adverts on there.
> Don't make a site full of adverts and then try to add content. Esp
> scraped content.
>
> hth
> plh
> Paul
>
>
>>Cheers
>>

Agree on the content not ads part, absolutely. My main site has almost no
ads, at least generates nothing in adsense.

The drop traffic->drop adsense is obvious

Someone may have copied my content. But how would I go about checking this ?
I've tried searching Google for sentences or content pages that should
pop-up from my site, thus also the "copy" site. No luck. I did, as written,
have a couple of visits that clearly sucked/downloaded the entire site. I
looked up their IP's, and once or twice found a national or local library at
that IP. So, I'd suspect myself, that someone HAD copied my sites. But have
no hints on how to find out.

Cheers
J

"Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:37:06 +0200, ".:J:."
> <MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>Does people "report" sites to google, if they think their are only build
>>for
>>ad-purposes ?
>
> Yes.
> In fact I reported one myself the other day.
> Google like others to report sites that break TOS etc.
>
> hth
> plh
> Paul
>


BTW how do I report sites that violate googles adsense policies ?
/Jakob

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:24:13 +0200, ".:J:."
<MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:

>
>"Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:nrsde2ljpv227mufe84929atdva5vgae05@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:58:57 +0200, ".:J:."
>> <MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:

[...]


>Agree on the content not ads part, absolutely. My main site has almost no
>ads, at least generates nothing in adsense.

I find certain pages earn more. Or get more visitors to it. I find
people click more when they are expected to leave the site, eg links
pages, shopping resource etc.

>The drop traffic->drop adsense is obvious

I would copy text from your pages and see if they appear in all 3
engines.

Go for something unique, and may be check more than one part of the
page.

Or try copyscape. [i think thats what its called]

plh
Paul

>Someone may have copied my content. But how would I go about checking this ?
>I've tried searching Google for sentences or content pages that should
>pop-up from my site, thus also the "copy" site. No luck. I did, as written,
>have a couple of visits that clearly sucked/downloaded the entire site. I
>looked up their IP's, and once or twice found a national or local library at
>that IP. So, I'd suspect myself, that someone HAD copied my sites. But have
>no hints on how to find out.
>
>Cheers
>J
>

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..:J:. schreef:
> "Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:s8abe25jsfcur243tp33dgfr92qkqjeemo@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:37:06 +0200, ".:J:."
>> <MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Does people "report" sites to google, if they think their are only build
>>> for
>>> ad-purposes ?
>> Yes.
>> In fact I reported one myself the other day.
>> Google like others to report sites that break TOS etc.
>>
>> hth
>> plh
>> Paul
>>
>
>
> BTW how do I report sites that violate googles adsense policies ?
> /Jakob

The answer for this kind of questions can be found at?

Right... Google:
https://www.google.com/support/adsen...y?answer=18386



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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:24:13 +0200, ".:J:."
<MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:

>
>"Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:nrsde2ljpv227mufe84929atdva5vgae05@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:58:57 +0200, ".:J:."
>> <MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Right then,
>>>> IS your site a scam site ? After all, that was your subject header.
>>>> If it was, then you knew you were doing wrong and you cannot complain.
>>>>
>>>> If there was no way on earth that is was, then ;
>>>> 1: You should have used a different subject header.
>>>> 2: You were not punished.
>>>>
>>>> You were not clear on "90% drop from one day to the other"
>>>>
>>>> 90% of what ?
>>>> visitors ?
>>>> loss of adsense earnings ?
>>>>
>>>> If loss of visitors, then adsense wasn't your problem.
>>>> If it is loss of earnings with roughly the same amount of clicks, then
>>>> that could be for a number of reasons.
>>>>
>>>> I had adsense a while ago. Was earning double figures per day. All of
>>>> a sudden my earnings were half of what I was earning.
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget there is a click fraud algo and I think it is already out
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> There are lots of factors.
>>>> Contact google if you think there is a problem.
>>>>
>>>> plh
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>Right. My site was build with ads in mind.
>>
>> That's your first mistake.
>> You should build sites for visitors. AFAICR it is against Googles TOS
>> to build sites for adsense. And rightly so.
>>
>>> I'm not really complaining, since it's only a test site, but curious to
>>> find a reason and learn from that.
>>
>> That's okay then.
>>
>>>The 90% was a traffic drop. Adsense just follows the drop relatively.
>>
>> That's obvious.
>> Less traffic = less clicks.
>>
>>>So, I was wondering about the reason for the drop. I saw on three sites on
>>>one day, one specific IP sucking all pages. Could it've been copied,
>>>published, and thus be taking the same traffic on another site ?
>>
>> Google, as you probably know are having problems atm.
>> Have you tried to see if any of your work has been copied ? Have you
>> looked to see how many of your pages are still cached etc ?
>>
>> Even on my sites, pages that were cached before have decached. The
>> deep bot hasn't visited as often as before.
>> I am just playing the waiting game atm while the bots do their job.
>>
>> But best of all, make a site with content that visitors will want to
>> read and return to, and have adverts on there.
>> Don't make a site full of adverts and then try to add content. Esp
>> scraped content.
>>
>> hth
>> plh
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>
>Agree on the content not ads part, absolutely. My main site has almost no
>ads, at least generates nothing in adsense.
>
>The drop traffic->drop adsense is obvious
>
>Someone may have copied my content. But how would I go about checking this ?
>I've tried searching Google for sentences or content pages that should
>pop-up from my site, thus also the "copy" site. No luck. I did, as written,
>have a couple of visits that clearly sucked/downloaded the entire site. I
>looked up their IP's, and once or twice found a national or local library at
>that IP. So, I'd suspect myself, that someone HAD copied my sites. But have
>no hints on how to find out.

www.copyscape.com

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"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:24:13 +0200, ".:J:."
> <MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Paul" <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:nrsde2ljpv227mufe84929atdva5vgae05@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:58:57 +0200, ".:J:."
>>> <MONKEYselskab-at-bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Right then,
>>>>> IS your site a scam site ? After all, that was your subject header.
>>>>> If it was, then you knew you were doing wrong and you cannot complain.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there was no way on earth that is was, then ;
>>>>> 1: You should have used a different subject header.
>>>>> 2: You were not punished.
>>>>>
>>>>> You were not clear on "90% drop from one day to the other"
>>>>>
>>>>> 90% of what ?
>>>>> visitors ?
>>>>> loss of adsense earnings ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If loss of visitors, then adsense wasn't your problem.
>>>>> If it is loss of earnings with roughly the same amount of clicks, then
>>>>> that could be for a number of reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had adsense a while ago. Was earning double figures per day. All of
>>>>> a sudden my earnings were half of what I was earning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget there is a click fraud algo and I think it is already out
>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of factors.
>>>>> Contact google if you think there is a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> plh
>>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Right. My site was build with ads in mind.
>>>
>>> That's your first mistake.
>>> You should build sites for visitors. AFAICR it is against Googles TOS
>>> to build sites for adsense. And rightly so.
>>>
>>>> I'm not really complaining, since it's only a test site, but curious to
>>>> find a reason and learn from that.
>>>
>>> That's okay then.
>>>
>>>>The 90% was a traffic drop. Adsense just follows the drop relatively.
>>>
>>> That's obvious.
>>> Less traffic = less clicks.
>>>
>>>>So, I was wondering about the reason for the drop. I saw on three sites
>>>>on
>>>>one day, one specific IP sucking all pages. Could it've been copied,
>>>>published, and thus be taking the same traffic on another site ?
>>>
>>> Google, as you probably know are having problems atm.
>>> Have you tried to see if any of your work has been copied ? Have you
>>> looked to see how many of your pages are still cached etc ?
>>>
>>> Even on my sites, pages that were cached before have decached. The
>>> deep bot hasn't visited as often as before.
>>> I am just playing the waiting game atm while the bots do their job.
>>>
>>> But best of all, make a site with content that visitors will want to
>>> read and return to, and have adverts on there.
>>> Don't make a site full of adverts and then try to add content. Esp
>>> scraped content.
>>>
>>> hth
>>> plh
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>
>>
>>Agree on the content not ads part, absolutely. My main site has almost no
>>ads, at least generates nothing in adsense.
>>
>>The drop traffic->drop adsense is obvious
>>
>>Someone may have copied my content. But how would I go about checking this
>>?
>>I've tried searching Google for sentences or content pages that should
>>pop-up from my site, thus also the "copy" site. No luck. I did, as
>>written,
>>have a couple of visits that clearly sucked/downloaded the entire site. I
>>looked up their IP's, and once or twice found a national or local library
>>at
>>that IP. So, I'd suspect myself, that someone HAD copied my sites. But
>>have
>>no hints on how to find out.
>
> www.copyscape.com
>
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Tried .. no luck

Guees I'll have to live not knowing what on earth happened to my traffic

Jak

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:30:14 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:

>>What do you mean go overnight ?
>>I only had adsense on about 5 pages out of 5000.

Why only 5?

>>I saw the same amount of clicks, but getting paid far less for them.

That can happen because ad buyers come and go, increase and then
decrease what they are willing to pay for ads (bidding wars don't last
forever). So in a tight niche (tracking one site, especially a small
amount of pages) a single big advertiser can cause large swings in
revenue. If an advertiser finds traffic from your site doesn't convert
they may block your site. Then there are seasonal effects, advertisers
will pay more at Valentines for example if they sell a relevant
product/service.

Have you seen a particular ad no longer showing up?

So a drop in AdSense revenue doesn't mean something is wrong.

>I've heard of this happening too. A lot. Am I the only one who reads
>things outside this group?

No, we just don't take everything we read in a newsletter as fact
bill, we like to do research, discuss things and then come to an
accurate conclusion.

So tell us oh wise one, what have thou read in AdSense weekly :-)

How much are you making from AdSense bill?

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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:04:00 GMT, David
<seodave@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:30:14 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>>What do you mean go overnight ?
>>>I only had adsense on about 5 pages out of 5000.
>
>Why only 5?
>
>>>I saw the same amount of clicks, but getting paid far less for them.
>
>That can happen because ad buyers come and go, increase and then
>decrease what they are willing to pay for ads (bidding wars don't last
>forever). So in a tight niche (tracking one site, especially a small
>amount of pages) a single big advertiser can cause large swings in
>revenue. If an advertiser finds traffic from your site doesn't convert
>they may block your site. Then there are seasonal effects, advertisers
>will pay more at Valentines for example if they sell a relevant
>product/service.
>
>Have you seen a particular ad no longer showing up?
>
>So a drop in AdSense revenue doesn't mean something is wrong.
>
>>I've heard of this happening too. A lot. Am I the only one who reads
>>things outside this group?
>
>No, we just don't take everything we read in a newsletter as fact
>bill, we like to do research, discuss things and then come to an
>accurate conclusion.
>
>So tell us oh wise one, what have thou read in AdSense weekly :-)
>
>How much are you making from AdSense bill?
>
>David

Let's not forget, this is SEO Dave's version;

http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/1...ltant-ranking/

and this is the real world...

http://www.google.com/search?q=seo+c...&start=10&sa=N

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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:18:05 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:04:00 GMT, David
><seodave@search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:30:14 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>What do you mean go overnight ?
>>>>I only had adsense on about 5 pages out of 5000.
>>
>>Why only 5?
>>
>>>>I saw the same amount of clicks, but getting paid far less for them.
>>
>>That can happen because ad buyers come and go, increase and then
>>decrease what they are willing to pay for ads (bidding wars don't last
>>forever). So in a tight niche (tracking one site, especially a small
>>amount of pages) a single big advertiser can cause large swings in
>>revenue. If an advertiser finds traffic from your site doesn't convert
>>they may block your site. Then there are seasonal effects, advertisers
>>will pay more at Valentines for example if they sell a relevant
>>product/service.
>>
>>Have you seen a particular ad no longer showing up?
>>
>>So a drop in AdSense revenue doesn't mean something is wrong.
>>
>>>I've heard of this happening too. A lot. Am I the only one who reads
>>>things outside this group?
>>
>>No, we just don't take everything we read in a newsletter as fact
>>bill, we like to do research, discuss things and then come to an
>>accurate conclusion.
>>
>>So tell us oh wise one, what have thou read in AdSense weekly :-)
>>
>>How much are you making from AdSense bill?
>>
>>David
>
>Let's not forget, this is SEO Dave's version;
>
>http://www.morearnings.com/2006/07/1...ltant-ranking/

And that has what to do with AdSense bill?

>and this is the real world...
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=seo+c...&start=10&sa=N
>
>BB

And as I said in another post (but forgot to send :-) well done on
your first money SERP.

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