"Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> Alex <Alex@Alex.org> wrote:
>
>> "bolo" <someone@someplace.org> wrote:
>> >Mr. Obvious,
>> >
>> >Why couldn't you do the same thing with the transform option in
>> >Photoshop?
>> >Seems to be an even easier and much less expensive way to accomplish the
>> >same thing....
>> >
>>
>> Could you give us a link to an example of your simple method?
>> Greetings, Alex
>
> Hmmm I thought it was another spam so I kill-filed the poster without
> reading the messages (I believe I saw more than one?). I don't know what
> the original message says, but about 3D stuff I can give some info
>
> - There are some plug-ins, actions or trick to turn a regular photos into
> 3D. I tried to view some of them without 3D glass so I can't see any
> sepcial but kinda blurry, OFF photo.
>
> - And there are expensive and cheap adapter to add to film and digital
> camera, as well as some tricks to turn 2 (some uses 3 lenses) cheap
> digital
> cameras into 3D camera. Or it uses 2 lenses to capture the left/right
> edges/angles of the object then merge them together.

I have liked looking at stereogram and saved some links
so many times in past I could never see them
then I figured out cause my eyes focus at different distance I have to turn
my face a little and start up close

I made a couple but only using software, I am pretty sure there is more to
it than just two images alike
it is something about depth maps
and there are some cameras that shoot it that way


Here are the links I saved
http://www.ixtlan.ru/
http://www.colorstereo.com/1_homep.age/directry.htm (this guy is the BEST I
have seen!!!!)
http://www.custom-stereograms.com/html/gallery_1.html
http://fractals.aramin.net/index.php?dzial=fractals
http://www.lessons4living.com/parable.htm
http://www.eyetricks.com/3dstereo.htm

"bolo" <someone@someplace.org> wrote:
>Well from the example on his web site, i really did not see any 3d effects,
>did you?

Oh yes, the little girl at the bottom was very 3D! Even with my two
qualitatively unequal eyes I could see it very well.
Greetings, Alex

"KatWoman" <spamfree@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> "Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:58pds39bqds8lo0i66qhtm1vov1844b1h4@4ax.com...
> > Alex <Alex@Alex.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "bolo" <someone@someplace.org> wrote:
> >> >Mr. Obvious,
> >> >
> >> >Why couldn't you do the same thing with the transform option in
> >> >Photoshop?
> >> >Seems to be an even easier and much less expensive way to accomplish the
> >> >same thing....
> >> >
> >>
> >> Could you give us a link to an example of your simple method?
> >> Greetings, Alex
> >
> > Hmmm I thought it was another spam so I kill-filed the poster without
> > reading the messages (I believe I saw more than one?). I don't know what
> > the original message says, but about 3D stuff I can give some info
> >
> > - There are some plug-ins, actions or trick to turn a regular photos into
> > 3D. I tried to view some of them without 3D glass so I can't see any
> > sepcial but kinda blurry, OFF photo.
> >
> > - And there are expensive and cheap adapter to add to film and digital
> > camera, as well as some tricks to turn 2 (some uses 3 lenses) cheap
> > digital
> > cameras into 3D camera. Or it uses 2 lenses to capture the left/right
> > edges/angles of the object then merge them together.
>
> I have liked looking at stereogram and saved some links
> so many times in past I could never see them
> then I figured out cause my eyes focus at different distance I have to turn
> my face a little and start up close
>
> I made a couple but only using software, I am pretty sure there is more to
> it than just two images alike
> it is something about depth maps
> and there are some cameras that shoot it that way

You seem to have links to several different types of 3-D

> Here are the links I saved
> http://www.ixtlan.ru/
> http://www.colorstereo.com/1_homep.age/directry.htm (this guy is the BEST I
> have seen!!!!)

This one requires Red+Blue eyeglass to see which I don't have the eyeglass

> http://www.custom-stereograms.com/html/gallery_1.html

This one has other image ontop of other, this type of 3-D you often see on
newspaper, or books. You just need to bring the image very close to your
eyes, then the darker (main photo) will appear while the other will be
blurred (like Out Of Focus).

This type I don't have problem viewing most of them.

> http://fractals.aramin.net/index.php?dzial=fractals
> http://www.lessons4living.com/parable.htm
> http://www.eyetricks.com/3dstereo.htm

Too many for me to go through so I skip this one. But I don't see
anything about the 3-D camera, or camera with 2-3 lenses.

"Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> "KatWoman" <spamfree@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>> news:58pds39bqds8lo0i66qhtm1vov1844b1h4@4ax.com...
>> > Alex <Alex@Alex.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "bolo" <someone@someplace.org> wrote:
>> >> >Mr. Obvious,
>> >> >
>> >> >Why couldn't you do the same thing with the transform option in
>> >> >Photoshop?
>> >> >Seems to be an even easier and much less expensive way to accomplish
>> >> >the
>> >> >same thing....
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Could you give us a link to an example of your simple method?
>> >> Greetings, Alex
>> >
>> > Hmmm I thought it was another spam so I kill-filed the poster without
>> > reading the messages (I believe I saw more than one?). I don't know
>> > what
>> > the original message says, but about 3D stuff I can give some info
>> >
>> > - There are some plug-ins, actions or trick to turn a regular photos
>> > into
>> > 3D. I tried to view some of them without 3D glass so I can't see any
>> > sepcial but kinda blurry, OFF photo.
>> >
>> > - And there are expensive and cheap adapter to add to film and digital
>> > camera, as well as some tricks to turn 2 (some uses 3 lenses) cheap
>> > digital
>> > cameras into 3D camera. Or it uses 2 lenses to capture the left/right
>> > edges/angles of the object then merge them together.
>>
>> I have liked looking at stereogram and saved some links
>> so many times in past I could never see them
>> then I figured out cause my eyes focus at different distance I have to
>> turn
>> my face a little and start up close
>>
>> I made a couple but only using software, I am pretty sure there is more
>> to
>> it than just two images alike
>> it is something about depth maps
>> and there are some cameras that shoot it that way
>
> You seem to have links to several different types of 3-D
>
>> Here are the links I saved
>> http://www.ixtlan.ru/
>> http://www.colorstereo.com/1_homep.age/directry.htm (this guy is the BEST
>> I
>> have seen!!!!)
>
> This one requires Red+Blue eyeglass to see which I don't have the eyeglass
>
>> http://www.custom-stereograms.com/html/gallery_1.html
>
> This one has other image on top of other, this type of 3-D you often see
> on
> newspaper, or books. You just need to bring the image very close to your
> eyes, then the darker (main photo) will appear while the other will be
> blurred (like Out Of Focus).
>
> This type I don't have problem viewing most of them.
>
>> http://fractals.aramin.net/index.php?dzial=fractals
>> http://www.lessons4living.com/parable.htm
>> http://www.eyetricks.com/3dstereo.htm
>
> Too many for me to go through so I skip this one. But I don't see
> anything about the 3-D camera, or camera with 2-3 lenses.

Because I never tried any of the techniques except the more simple type
stereogram hiding an object depth map under a pattern
and had only a brief interest in this topic
so I shared the things I had bookmarked
I am sure google will turn up some info on stereoscopic cameras

as far as this site
>>This one requires Red+Blue eyeglass to see which I don't have the eyeglass
I didn't have the glasses either
I made my own using small pieces of red and blue (cyan) gels we use for
lighting
most photo studios will have some around, just tape to front of your own
glasses or remove lenses from old sunglasses and tape them on


I was never able to see the magic of this until one day I stared and stared
at this, I find the image lovely anyway but after seeing the magic inside it
I was totally excited and looked at many
http://www.colorstereo.com/_cs1-2/si...g/butrfly.html

I think being a visual artist actually makes it more difficult to unfocus
your eyes and see "in front"
and because we tend to read images in a very literal manner with left brain
then that parable site the guy found the spiritual symbolism.. it was very
creative thought

"KatWoman" <spamfree@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:b21js3tgvjsp72kh5gq2pebu1opk18non4@4ax.com...
>> "KatWoman" <spamfree@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:58pds39bqds8lo0i66qhtm1vov1844b1h4@4ax.com...
>>> > Alex <Alex@Alex.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "bolo" <someone@someplace.org> wrote:
>>> >> >Mr. Obvious,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Why couldn't you do the same thing with the transform option in
>>> >> >Photoshop?
>>> >> >Seems to be an even easier and much less expensive way to accomplish
>>> >> >the
>>> >> >same thing....
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Could you give us a link to an example of your simple method?
>>> >> Greetings, Alex
>>> >
>>> > Hmmm I thought it was another spam so I kill-filed the poster without
>>> > reading the messages (I believe I saw more than one?). I don't know
>>> > what
>>> > the original message says, but about 3D stuff I can give some info
>>> >
>>> > - There are some plug-ins, actions or trick to turn a regular photos
>>> > into
>>> > 3D. I tried to view some of them without 3D glass so I can't see any
>>> > sepcial but kinda blurry, OFF photo.
>>> >
>>> > - And there are expensive and cheap adapter to add to film and digital
>>> > camera, as well as some tricks to turn 2 (some uses 3 lenses) cheap
>>> > digital
>>> > cameras into 3D camera. Or it uses 2 lenses to capture the left/right
>>> > edges/angles of the object then merge them together.
>>>
>>> I have liked looking at stereogram and saved some links
>>> so many times in past I could never see them
>>> then I figured out cause my eyes focus at different distance I have to
>>> turn
>>> my face a little and start up close
>>>
>>> I made a couple but only using software, I am pretty sure there is more
>>> to
>>> it than just two images alike
>>> it is something about depth maps
>>> and there are some cameras that shoot it that way
>>
>> You seem to have links to several different types of 3-D
>>
>>> Here are the links I saved
>>> http://www.ixtlan.ru/
>>> http://www.colorstereo.com/1_homep.age/directry.htm (this guy is the
>>> BEST I
>>> have seen!!!!)
>>
>> This one requires Red+Blue eyeglass to see which I don't have the
>> eyeglass
>>
>>> http://www.custom-stereograms.com/html/gallery_1.html
>>
>> This one has other image on top of other, this type of 3-D you often see
>> on
>> newspaper, or books. You just need to bring the image very close to your
>> eyes, then the darker (main photo) will appear while the other will be
>> blurred (like Out Of Focus).
>>
>> This type I don't have problem viewing most of them.
>>
>>> http://fractals.aramin.net/index.php?dzial=fractals
>>> http://www.lessons4living.com/parable.htm
>>> http://www.eyetricks.com/3dstereo.htm
>>
>> Too many for me to go through so I skip this one. But I don't see
>> anything about the 3-D camera, or camera with 2-3 lenses.
>
> Because I never tried any of the techniques except the more simple type
> stereogram hiding an object depth map under a pattern
> and had only a brief interest in this topic
> so I shared the things I had bookmarked
> I am sure google will turn up some info on stereoscopic cameras
>
> as far as this site
>>>This one requires Red+Blue eyeglass to see which I don't have the
>>>eyeglass
> I didn't have the glasses either
> I made my own using small pieces of red and blue (cyan) gels we use for
> lighting
> most photo studios will have some around, just tape to front of your own
> glasses or remove lenses from old sunglasses and tape them on
>
>
> I was never able to see the magic of this until one day I stared and
> stared at this, I find the image lovely anyway but after seeing the magic
> inside it I was totally excited and looked at many
> http://www.colorstereo.com/_cs1-2/si...g/butrfly.html
>
> I think being a visual artist actually makes it more difficult to unfocus
> your eyes and see "in front"
> and because we tend to read images in a very literal manner with left
> brain
> then that parable site the guy found the spiritual symbolism.. it was very
> creative thought

ON HIS PAGE the guy says he DOES use Photoshop
The question I'm most asked is: what program or programs do I use to create
my stereograms. There is an underlying implication that it is the software
that makes the stereogram. This is only true with SIS and SIRDS. I don't
make too many SIS and SIRDS for just that reason. Too much of the creation
process is in the hands of a program; not enough in my artistic senses. I
prefer to be at one with the creation process; I want control.

What it ultimately comes down to for me is eyeballs and trackballs. All the
other effects you see come from digital image processing skills which have
nothing to do with stereogram creation, per se. That being said, my current
hardware & software plays on combinations of the following for a variety of
stereogram techniques.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There are still a number of stereograms on Color Stereo I made with my ATARI
Falcon. Atari, the unsung also-ran platform (using windows in 1984) had
built-in 16bit color. I'd installed a preemptive multitasking system, and my
primary image-processing software had become Apex. When Atari Computers came
to an end, I chose to switch to the Macintosh platform.

Currently, I'm using an Intel Mac Pro. The new Intel Macs can run multiple
OS's, but do not support OS 9 (Classic) or any Mac OS previous to Tiger,
which is unfortunate. I have a two monitor setup: both 22" with 1280 x 1024
resolution. Though this is effectively 2560 x 1024, it is really only
practical working on one screen. Using the other monitor for palettes, and
music player is a tremendous productivity boost. For acquiring digital
images to work with, I have the usual items you would expect: a scanner, and
digital camera.

My main program is Adobe Photoshop. Photoshop is certainly not a dedicated
stereogram tool, but I always seem to find something in it that does most of
what I need. Since I use it for all my Web images, digital retouching, and
other graphics needs, I stick with it for autostereograms. It is my other
world.

I've now begun to experiment with 3-D applications. Strata 3D works well for
a variety of things. I also use Amorphium Pro. Amorphium is an interesting
application—but does not work with OS X any later than Panther (10.39).

Note that any graphics program that allows you to shrink and stretch a
pattern to the left or right is capable of making stereograms other than
SIRDS & SIS.

The only programs I know that are really stereogram dedicated, are SIRDS and
SIS applications. There appears to be several available on the Internet, but
I am unfamiliar with these, because they are for the Windows platform.
There are only two for Mac that I know of which work on a decent level:
• Sirds 1.3 . . . The only decent SIRDS app I've found for OS X, from
Katsura Shareware. Works excellent.
• Stereo 3-D . . . a stand alone program: Reasonably priced, works good. OS
9 (Classic) only

Since SIRDS programs require patterns and depth images, you may likely need
a separate program/s to create these. To my knowledge, there are no
dedicated depth image programs. I create my patterns and Depth Images in
Photoshop. If you want to make depth images other than alpha/numerics, and
geometrics, you might want to look into 3D models.

I'm always ready to experiment with new hardware and software. Although
costs are certainly something to consider, my biggest impediment is finding
time. I just can't seem to download that anywhere.



http://www.colorstereo.com/texts_.txt/tools_of.htm