PHWinfo - Afficher un message - How do I become a professional PHP Developer in the UK? Advice needed pls

11/09/2007, 20h21

"macca" <ptmcnally@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1189530309.389957.40220@r34g2000hsd.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi, I live in the UK so would appreciate the opinions of UK PHP
> programmers formost but not only.
>
> I really want to get into the PHP development industry. Im 25 years
> old and live in Manchester. I dont have a Degree but I do have a good
> A-Level in Computing where I learned to program in Turbo Pascal.
>
> In December I finish my Undergraduate Certificate in Web Applications
> Development which I have been working on for the last two years with
> the Open University.
>
> It covered lots of good stuff like XHTML/CSS/Javascript and various
> scripting languages such as ColdFusion/ASP (not dot net) using
> VBScript/PHP and SQL with loads of standards stuff and much more.
>
> I have also been using PHP as a 'serious' hobby for the last few years
> and trying my best to learn all I can about the language, even though
> I've only just started learning OOP stuff in the last month or so.
>
> Ive been reading several books such as Zend Certification Study Guide/
> PHP5 Objects, Patterns and Practice etc and hope to take the ZCE soon.
>
> The thing is, the more i read, the more i find that i 'should' know
> but I dont, such as loads of Design Patterns and Frameworks and such.
>
> What i would like advice on is how much am I really expected to know
> when first starting out? Should i know all about design patterns/
> frameworks/PEAR extensions etc or do you pick this stuff up along the
> way?
>
> What I would like is any advice of what I should and shoulnt be doing
> in order to get my first PHP dev job. Or what i should definately
> know, and not bother with?
>
> What routes do you guys come from?
>
> Surely if I go for a 'Junior PHP Developer' position, they cant expect
> me to know "everything" right? or do they?
>
>
> Any advice appreciated,

as with everything in life, it depends. i've hired people before who had
zero php experience and only some programming exposure in general...but i
could tell they were logical, liked to company, and viewed the job as a
long-term committment...so, i invested in them and brought them up to speed.
others who were php gurus i wouldn't even throw them a bone when it was
apparent they were either just out for big money, using my company as a
short-term stepping stone, or were just flat-out prima donnas.

anything can be taught...except for things i value most, like loyalty,
respect, and fairness. being thoughtful on all levels of mentality is very
key, from logic to hospitality.

good luck.

11/09/2007, 20h21	#2
Steve Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How do I become a professional PHP Developer in the UK? Advice needed pls "macca" <ptmcnally@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:1189530309.389957.40220@r34g2000hsd.googlegro ups.com... > Hi, I live in the UK so would appreciate the opinions of UK PHP > programmers formost but not only. > > I really want to get into the PHP development industry. Im 25 years > old and live in Manchester. I dont have a Degree but I do have a good > A-Level in Computing where I learned to program in Turbo Pascal. > > In December I finish my Undergraduate Certificate in Web Applications > Development which I have been working on for the last two years with > the Open University. > > It covered lots of good stuff like XHTML/CSS/Javascript and various > scripting languages such as ColdFusion/ASP (not dot net) using > VBScript/PHP and SQL with loads of standards stuff and much more. > > I have also been using PHP as a 'serious' hobby for the last few years > and trying my best to learn all I can about the language, even though > I've only just started learning OOP stuff in the last month or so. > > Ive been reading several books such as Zend Certification Study Guide/ > PHP5 Objects, Patterns and Practice etc and hope to take the ZCE soon. > > The thing is, the more i read, the more i find that i 'should' know > but I dont, such as loads of Design Patterns and Frameworks and such. > > What i would like advice on is how much am I really expected to know > when first starting out? Should i know all about design patterns/ > frameworks/PEAR extensions etc or do you pick this stuff up along the > way? > > What I would like is any advice of what I should and shoulnt be doing > in order to get my first PHP dev job. Or what i should definately > know, and not bother with? > > What routes do you guys come from? > > Surely if I go for a 'Junior PHP Developer' position, they cant expect > me to know "everything" right? or do they? > > > Any advice appreciated, as with everything in life, it depends. i've hired people before who had zero php experience and only some programming exposure in general...but i could tell they were logical, liked to company, and viewed the job as a long-term committment...so, i invested in them and brought them up to speed. others who were php gurus i wouldn't even throw them a bone when it was apparent they were either just out for big money, using my company as a short-term stepping stone, or were just flat-out prima donnas. anything can be taught...except for things i value most, like loyalty, respect, and fairness. being thoughtful on all levels of mentality is very key, from logic to hospitality. good luck.