PHWinfo - Afficher un message - relays.ordb.org blacklisting all IPs (fwd)

26/03/2008, 08h19

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803260830590.30984@ebfjryy.nhfvpf. arg>,
Res <res@ausics.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Grant Taylor wrote:
>
> >
> > On 03/25/08 16:53, Res wrote:
> >> Why cant these deadshits just drop the DNS entries rather than piss off
> >> the
> >> rest of the world?
> >
> > How else are said "deadshits" suppose to encourage people to remove their
> > stale DNS RBL configs?
> >
> > It is perfectly logical that the "deadshits" would want to do something so
> > that they do not continue to be bombarded with DNS queries from different
> > deadshits that have not removed ORDB from their RBL config.
>
> I already stated what they could do in my original post which of course
> you selectively did not quote, it is afterall what 99% of all other
> defunct RBLs have done over the years.

And both your recommendation and your claim about 99% of other defunct
"RBL's" (RBL is not a generic term used by anyone with half a clue)
demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about. To not be
simply a liar, you'd have to identify at least 400 defunct DNSBL's...

There's a big problem with shutting down a high-volume DNS zone, in that
the queries keep coming. Imbeciles (like anyone still querying ORDB)
keep pounding away and if the zone wasn't planned out for termination
from the start, there's a good chance that there are no good options for
harmless shutdown.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/...cklists-01.txt
discusses this, as did the prior version. The issues have been
discussed at length on the ASRG list and in other spam-focused fora and
people who have tried to do the right things (which DO NOT include
pushing the problem upstream to the gTLD roots) have not reported
promising results from doing so.

ORDB was very public about their shutdown. Anyone running a mail server
still using them now deserves a long closed-door meeting with The Boss
and HR and a big guy from Security with a large cardboard box. Letting a
mail server sit that way for 15 months doing pointless DNS queries on
every message is a demonstration of incompetence.

(and no, I do not have much sympathy for anyone who set up a mail
filtering system thinking it didn't need regular adjustment. Some
flavors of ignorance require concrete lessons to overcome. )

--
Now where did I hide that website...

26/03/2008, 08h19	#10
Bill Cole Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: relays.ordb.org blacklisting all IPs (fwd) In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803260830590.30984@ebfjryy.nhfvpf. arg>, Res <res@ausics.net> wrote: > On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Grant Taylor wrote: > > > > > On 03/25/08 16:53, Res wrote: > >> Why cant these deadshits just drop the DNS entries rather than piss off > >> the > >> rest of the world? > > > > How else are said "deadshits" suppose to encourage people to remove their > > stale DNS RBL configs? > > > > It is perfectly logical that the "deadshits" would want to do something so > > that they do not continue to be bombarded with DNS queries from different > > deadshits that have not removed ORDB from their RBL config. > > I already stated what they could do in my original post which of course > you selectively did not quote, it is afterall what 99% of all other > defunct RBLs have done over the years. And both your recommendation and your claim about 99% of other defunct "RBL's" (RBL is not a generic term used by anyone with half a clue) demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about. To not be simply a liar, you'd have to identify at least 400 defunct DNSBL's... There's a big problem with shutting down a high-volume DNS zone, in that the queries keep coming. Imbeciles (like anyone still querying ORDB) keep pounding away and if the zone wasn't planned out for termination from the start, there's a good chance that there are no good options for harmless shutdown. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/...cklists-01.txt discusses this, as did the prior version. The issues have been discussed at length on the ASRG list and in other spam-focused fora and people who have tried to do the right things (which DO NOT include pushing the problem upstream to the gTLD roots) have not reported promising results from doing so. ORDB was very public about their shutdown. Anyone running a mail server still using them now deserves a long closed-door meeting with The Boss and HR and a big guy from Security with a large cardboard box. Letting a mail server sit that way for 15 months doing pointless DNS queries on every message is a demonstration of incompetence. (and no, I do not have much sympathy for anyone who set up a mail filtering system thinking it didn't need regular adjustment. Some flavors of ignorance require concrete lessons to overcome. ) -- Now where did I hide that website...