Eric Butera schreef:
> On Jan 31, 2008 11:14 AM, Jochem Maas <jochem@iamjochem.com> wrote:
>> Eric Butera schreef:
>>> On Jan 31, 2008 9:27 AM, Jochem Maas <jochem@iamjochem.com> wrote:
>>>> Eric Butera schreef:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2008 7:33 AM, Jochem Maas <jochem@iamjochem.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Richard Heyes schreef:
>>>>>>> Anyone have any trouble with this combination? It consistently crashes
>>>>>>> for me.
>>>>>> firefox not an option? or anything else that resembles a proper browser ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://pear.php.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>> IE8 passes Acid2.
>>>> a, it's not out.
>>>> b, all that was said was it does - is there proof? (screenshot doesn't count).
>>>> c, they also want to force developers to include extra meta tags to force IE8 to run in
>>>> strict valdation mode ... otherwise it will run using the old parser ... or something like
>>>> that.
>>>> d, it's liable to be more to do with EU lawsuits than actually giving a hoot about
>>>> stds compliance of any sort.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/0...ersion_switch/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm up to date on the situation, thanks!
>>>
>>> I just had to throw that in there because you said Firefox like it is
>>> the best browser.
>> no that's your interpretation. I merely implied firefox was better than IE.
>> and if your a webdeveloper then atm it is the best browser for one simple reason - firebug.
>
> I agree that Firebug is an amazing ext in Firefox. I use it regularly
> along with the live headers ext in my work to track XHTTP requests.
> What are your favorite aspects of Firebug?

in line editing of just about everything, introspection of everything. er everything.

Safari has some nice HTML
> and Javascript debugging with Drosera & the Web Inspector.
>
>>> I use Firefox with NoScript when I'm browsing the
>> bully for you. given that this is the world of web2.0 I'd imagine your
>> browsing is rather limited. it's also masochistic given that you apparently
>> choose to use an inferior product (as per your own opinion)
>
> I use different browsers for tasks. Gmail/Google Reader share Camino.
> Safari is the browser I use for browsing/work. Firefox is the
> browser I use for viewing sites I don't trust with the
> NoScript/Flashblock extensions. The fact that XSS and CSRF can steal
> your identity/perform actions is serious business to me. I do what I
> can to protect myself.
>>> web, but it is by no means the "best" browser. Safari & Opera have
>>> "better" renderers and do it faster.
>> ah so my supposed opinion needs to take a back seat to your "better" opinion,
>> no renderer is perfect. and they're all slightly different. let's not forget
>> that nobody outside of IT actually uses Opera and Safari is only used by MacHeads
>> (which account for about 0.1% of the population) - recommending firefox is mostly about
>> educating Joe Average to the possiblities of an alternative that is used by more than
>> 5 people already.
>
> I wasn't trying to say my opinion was better. I was just stating that
> the rendering engine in Opera and Safari pass the acid2 test[1].
> Firefox does not.

you didn't state anything of the sort until just then.
and you do realise that Acid2 is not actually a standard AND that there
are plenty of differences of opinion regarding the minutae of 'proper
implementation' of some of the things Acid2 tests.

>
>>> I'm not talking about the
>>> Mozilla engine though because Camino fairly decent. It's just all
>>> that chrome bloat really makes me sick.
>> then go to bed.
>>
>>
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid2#C...t_applications